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Catholic Church & Jesus Christ-Why No One Should Be A Catholic
Apostolic Messianic Fellowship ^ | August 30, 2005 | Why No One Should Be A Catholic

Posted on 03/04/2007 8:21:23 AM PST by Iscool

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To: Iscool
Now now, you're changing the subject. YOU said that WE said that you weren't a part of our Church. YOU said that as an excuse to make (or to print other making)lying and careless attacks since we were not brethren.

Now it turns out that YOU are saying YOU don't WANT to be part of "our" Church. Fine, whatever. But if you're stomping off to be in OUR shop, don't turn around and accuse us throwing you out.

One false attack at a time, okay? RC's teach, as I said, that if you are Baptized with water etc., you're a part of the Church.

181 posted on 03/04/2007 11:08:40 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("Now we are all Massoud.")
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To: kellynch

Laura Ingraham said she was a Northern Baptist before converting to Catholicsm.


182 posted on 03/04/2007 11:09:26 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: nmh

Maybe Thomas A Kempis and his <<<"Imitation of [Christ]Christianity>>> leads the Church???


183 posted on 03/04/2007 11:12:03 AM PST by franky1
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To: Salvation; Iscool

...or that seven days without a drink will surely make one week 8^)


184 posted on 03/04/2007 11:14:34 AM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: Uncle Chip; wagglebee

"Perhaps about that time --- yes --- or at Pentecost. But the Roman Catholic Church was formed after Constantine took power in Rome."

Where in heaven's name did you get that idea? The "Roman Catholic Church", at least the Church caled that, didn't exist until after the Great Schism. Before that it was simply the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church, or so the Fathers called it.


185 posted on 03/04/2007 11:14:40 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat
Your understanding of Church History picks and chooses. You recognize the importance of the Church Fathers, but deny the Church they were members of. You deny the Council of Hippo, but recognize the Canon it endorsed. That is bad history.

Let's see how good your history is? What Pontiff knew the canon of the Bible before the RCC did? It was the same Pontiff who paid Eusebius to send out 50 Greek bibles with the same canon in them that those who had been reading it throughout the empire in the east had become accustomed. Get real.

186 posted on 03/04/2007 11:15:56 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: franky1

Welcome to Free Republic!


187 posted on 03/04/2007 11:16:01 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: Uncle Chip

Actually your history continues to be horrible. The Council of Hippo which authorized the Canon occurred after Constantine's death. Try again later.


188 posted on 03/04/2007 11:21:14 AM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: Iscool

I did. The Gospels all have references to the Last Supper.

Have you never read The Book of John and his chapters on the "Bread of Life"?

I bet you have. This was just a test. right?


189 posted on 03/04/2007 11:26:52 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: zbigreddogz

Thanks and may God bless you!


190 posted on 03/04/2007 11:27:55 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Iscool
Maybe you can address the actual citations in the article...

No way, Jose'! YOU make the charge. YOU make it stick! As Perry Mason said,"Do this in remembrance of me." Wait, you mean that was somebody else? Gosh, What was the occasion? To whom did he say it? Could this possibly have been around the same time that that person said "This is my body ..., " "This cup is the new covenant in my blood?"

So Jesus says (leaving aside the "I am the bread of Life" discourse which Protestants take as a given that Jesus did not mean) that the cup holds His Blood and the bread is His Body and that the Apostles are to do this in remembrance of Him. Then some protestants say," Well, He didn't really MEAN all that! It was a metaphor!" There are plenty of words, for "sorta like" in Greek. I assume there are in Aramaic as well. If Jesus had MEANT to say, "This is sorta like my body" it wasn't a lack of words that prevented Him. And there are lots of ways to say, "If you should ever want to do this I recommend thinking of me while you do it," but that's not what He said.

So, in other words, when they're done yelling at us RCs for not believing what's in the Bible, they turn around and yell at us for, uh, that's it, believing too much what's in the Bible. I'm just SEW confused!

We point to the text and say, "Here it is!" and they say, Well, now, while we are not in any way recommending anything that might possibly be construed as a WORK, mind you, what we want you to do is spend a WHOLE lot of time reading, re-reading, cross-referencing, and reading yet again your Bibles, until you come up with our opinion of what it says... NOT that we have any tradition or anything like that ... And if you don't do that, you're not a Christian so your salvation is in doubt, but we're not saying your salvation depends on anything you do.

Where's my Prozac? I'm afraid I'm beginning to understand this stuff.

191 posted on 03/04/2007 11:28:43 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("Now we are all Massoud.")
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To: franky1
"Maybe Thomas A Kempis and his <<<"Imitation of [Christ]Christianity>>> leads the Church???"

Nope!

Neither does "Peter" another fallible mortal.

My Bible tells me it is CHRIST who leads the church and why CHREISTIANS follow Him. Catholics don't follow Him - well, when it fits in with their yarn of a religion ... then when it doesn't they look to other sinners with an agenda to lead them and control them.

Pss.118:8,9

[8] It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

[9] It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.

Confidence is placed in another sinner, the pope. They will NOT fare well with this trust in him. His teachings are NOT in line with Christ - a few here and there ARE but there are enough that are NOT that separate them from Christians.
192 posted on 03/04/2007 11:29:00 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: lastchance

LOL! Loving your sense of humor!


193 posted on 03/04/2007 11:31:15 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat
"I love Theotokos. I can read a little Biblical and Ancient Greek. And I did use my VISA card to buy some Icons, they came all the way from Greece. They are very beautiful."

Yes...but do you kiss them? Burn incense and cross yourself in front of them? That's the real test!:)

I wonder what the author of this screed would think of us Orthodox as we processed through the church last Sunday carrying icons as the priest proclaimed:

"As the prophets beheld, as the Apostles have taught, as the Church has received, as the Teachers have dogmatised, as the Universe has agreed, as Grace has shown forth, as Truth has revealed, as falsehood has been dissolved, as Wisdom has presented, as Christ awarded, thus we declare; thus we assert, thus we preach Christ our true God, and honour His Saints in words, in writings, in thoughts, in sacrifices, in Churches, in Holy Icons; on the one hand worshiping and reverencing Christ as God and Lord; and on the other hand honouring as true servants of the same Lord of all and accordingly offering them veneration.

This is the Faith of the Apostles, this is the Faith of the Fathers, this is the Faith of the Orthodox, this is the Faith which has established the Universe!"

194 posted on 03/04/2007 11:32:55 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Iscool

Have you been baptized? Perhaps the Catholic Church recognizes the baptism performed by your church.


195 posted on 03/04/2007 11:33:00 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Kolokotronis

Does Nestorian heresy enter into it?


196 posted on 03/04/2007 11:33:44 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Kolokotronis

It is the sad fact of our schism, but the Apostolic Church was Rome and the East together and we have lost that. The united Orthodox Catholic Church.


197 posted on 03/04/2007 11:35:02 AM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: markomalley; Religion Moderator

Maybe the Religion Moderatory will put it in the Smokey Back Room.


198 posted on 03/04/2007 11:35:54 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

"Does Nestorian heresy enter into it?"

To the extent that this writer denies that Panagia is "The Mother of God", which is of course what nestorius taught, yes. But he also seems to deny that Christ is God so he may also be an Arian.


199 posted on 03/04/2007 11:37:13 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Iscool

week belief?


200 posted on 03/04/2007 11:39:03 AM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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