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To: ArrogantBustard; Alex Murphy; Campion
Sinners acting like sinners isn't "heresy."

Sanctimonious, self-righteous prigs, on the other hand, who degrade and humiliate those who have sexual issues are far more problematic. The Church is supposed to be a means by which God communicates grace, not condemnation. Unfortunately, there are far too many examples where the Church has humiliated or demonized gays, single mothers, and other sinners.

I'm a sinner too. My sins may not be sexual in nature, but they're no less serious.

62 posted on 02/23/2007 11:59:29 AM PST by jude24
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To: jude24
The Church is supposed to be a means by which God communicates grace

Communicating Grace does not include telling folks that blasphemy, idolatry, profanity, disrespect, murder, theft, adultery, dishonesty, or covetousness are just peachy.

There's a group of folks whose whole mission in life is to get "society" to believe that buggery is just fine. They're wrong, and the Church would be remiss in her duties not to tell them so. The message must be, as with all sins, to repent, to "go and sin no more". The author of this piece seems to both reject and misrepresent this message. She has also rejected and misrepresented the message that abortion is wrong. She has also rejected the message that false worship is wrong. Finally, she does just that, creating for herself a 'god' in her own image and likeness.

None of this is OK ... her apparent embrace of polygenism is apparently heresy ... and failing to note all of this does not communicate Grace.

65 posted on 02/23/2007 12:10:49 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jude24

"I'm a sinner too. My sins may not be sexual in nature, but they're no less serious."

True, as are we all.

But do you demand endorsement of the sin or engage in repentance for it? That is the real issue.


66 posted on 02/23/2007 12:13:09 PM PST by esquirette (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.)
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To: jude24
Sanctimonious, self-righteous prigs, on the other hand, who degrade and humiliate those who have sexual issues are far more problematic. The Church is supposed to be a means by which God communicates grace, not condemnation. Unfortunately, there are far too many examples where the Church has humiliated or demonized gays, single mothers, and other sinners.

The Church as a whole still must condemn homosexual acts, adultery, and other such sins, but at the same time, they must show that there is a better way, not condemn people. If we don't strongly and clearly condemn sin, we too are guilty.

The problem is that the stereotype of "sanctimonious, self-righteous prigs" largely emerged from the homosexual community itself and various tools like Phelps. I've tried to talk to many gay people I know, and, more often than not, at the first hint that God doesn't approve of their actions, the screaming about "hater" and "fundie" starts, as well as suggestions that would get me banned if I repeated them.

It's a stereotype that they cling to with dogged perseverance. Even to the point where a friend of mine wished a former friend of ours (before he started screaming at us about how we were haters) a happy birthday. The reply was: "I don't want you to be nice to me."

68 posted on 02/23/2007 12:15:34 PM PST by Luircin (Bushbot (n, adj.): The first and last argument of a more-conservative-than-thou Rat in disguise.)
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To: jude24
Sinners acting like sinners isn't "heresy."

You're missing our point. Her Catholic catechist was giving her an answer to her (perfectly legitimate) question which was materially heretical, according to the Catholic church.

It's a specific and glaring instance of how bad (incompetent, clueless) her catechesis was. That's not her fault, and not her sin.

73 posted on 02/23/2007 12:24:47 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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