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"While I respect those who believe in the Christian faith, the biggest question I have been struggling with is how I can believe in a God that loves me conditionally. "
1 posted on 02/23/2007 8:32:14 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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Typical liberal, she don't want to be judged by you, me, society or God!


2 posted on 02/23/2007 8:35:35 AM PST by TexasCajun
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Too bad if you're gay, God doesn't love you any more.

For some folks, its all about the buggery.

If you're a woman and have had an abortion you might as well give up because God is going to smite you.

Apparently, our correspondent is unfamiliar with Sacramental Confession.

4 posted on 02/23/2007 8:41:49 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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If this writer really cared about not being a hypocrite, she might want to consider not being a liberal...............but why confuse her even more?


6 posted on 02/23/2007 8:45:52 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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Where did Cain's wife come from? Did she fall from the sky? Did Cain sleep with Eve? This question is one that I've posed to my friends and even some of my old Sunday school teachers. Their answer was always that God made another woman for Cain to procreate with.

These questions are answered in Jewish Oral Tradition. And besides, don't Catholics believe Genesis is mythology anyway?

Some Catholics may call me a fair weather Christian because I only believe in part of the Bible

Catholics by definition only believe parts of the Bible. What's the writer's problem?

While I respect those who believe in the Christian faith, the biggest question I have been struggling with is how I can believe in a God that loves me conditionally.

I was not aware that belief in G-d was supposed to be conditioned on His love for us. This is one of chr*stianity's greatest crimes. Loving G-d is a mitzvah (commandment), not a "deal."

7 posted on 02/23/2007 8:48:55 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Mishenikhnas 'Adar, marbim besimchah!)
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"Some Catholics may call me a fair weather Christian because I only believe in part of the Bible and don't attend church regularly. But I've started realizing that it's more about being a good person and having morals that you believe and not about being a "model" Christian."

Shannon, the Bible calls you an apostate and a heretic. And Jesus the God of love prophesied about the falling away from the truth and the hatred of it. Wake up, kid.


8 posted on 02/23/2007 8:49:01 AM PST by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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Too bad if you're gay, God doesn't love you any more. If you're a woman and have had an abortion you might as well give up because God is going to smite you. And if you believe in other religions, forget it.,/I>

Too bad if you choose to commit sins - because there are consequences to those actions. The author misses the point entirely, mistaking the fact the unrepented sins have bearing on the salvation of the individual for the idea that God doesn't love all sinners.

Love the sinner, but hate the sin... The author cannot reconcile that one can love a person without endorsing their behavior.

10 posted on 02/23/2007 8:51:34 AM PST by MortMan (Middle Age: When playing like a child makes you feel like an old man the next morning.)
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Thanks for posting this. Great timing.

I teach a class, which meets tonight, called Keeping Your Faith after Highschool. We address dorm life, challenges to faith in both the classroom and workplace. This will be a great article to read and discuss. Maybe I'll assign them to come up with their own rebuttle.

11 posted on 02/23/2007 8:56:22 AM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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But I've started realizing that it's more about being a good person and having morals that you believe and not about being a "model" Christian.

I guess the writer doesn't believe the part about no one is good.

13 posted on 02/23/2007 9:08:23 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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I started realizing that he is only all loving if you are a Christian heterosexual man or woman who follows every commandment to a tee.

If that was the case, Heaven would be a pretty lonely place. This poor child may have been forced to go to mass every Sunday, but she missed the point entirely.

15 posted on 02/23/2007 9:14:18 AM PST by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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Its always about the homosexual agenda.


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18 posted on 02/23/2007 9:25:47 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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Hey, Shannon - it's not about you.


22 posted on 02/23/2007 9:37:00 AM PST by Ex-Episcopalian
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What a ridiculous strawman this little girl creates.


25 posted on 02/23/2007 9:41:40 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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Carl Jung, hardly an orthodox Christian, made an astute observation about disillusionment. Disgruntled Protestants change to another denomination. Disgrunted Catholics typically become atheist. I add my prayers to yours for this young lady.


32 posted on 02/23/2007 9:58:47 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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These college (or high school) student crises of faith are all alike.

I wonder if there's a lesson in that ...


35 posted on 02/23/2007 10:06:31 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every "choice" has a direct object.)
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I have always been taught that God welcomes and loves all people. Priests and Sunday school teachers present you with an all-loving God — he is your friend, your creator and most importantly your guide in life.

As I became a teenager though, my Sunday school teachers started adding a disclaimer next to "all-loving." I started realizing that he is only all loving if you are a Christian heterosexual man or woman who follows every commandment to a tee.

This is one of the things about mainstream Christianity that turns off some people. Only about 1/3 of the world's population calls itself Christian. That means that, even taking them all at their word, by mainstream theology 2/3 of the world is condemned to eternal damnation. A lot of people have trouble believing in that.

36 posted on 02/23/2007 10:10:10 AM PST by TBP
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Now when people ask me "What's your religion?" I answer I'm Catholic and then add my own disclaimer: I'm Catholic but on my own terms, ones that aren't built on prejudice.

LOL......can you say........where's the"cafeteria"??

Seriously though, I found myself laughing and crying simultaneously as I read this piece. Laughing because she seems to believe that she's pioneering a spirituality which is both original and authentic. There's an air of pretentiousness about her half-baked theological ruminations.

Crying, because she's an archetypal member of the lost generation of Catholics. Poorly catechised (from the sounds of her understanding of the Church's position on homosexuality and abortion), caught up in secular humanism and drifting towards shipwreck on the rocks with nobody to guide her spiritually. There are millions like her.

There but for the grace of God, go I.

37 posted on 02/23/2007 10:16:07 AM PST by marshmallow
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Hey Shannon, you should thank your lucky stars you didn't have Sister Redempta or Sister Perpetua while in school.

They'd have gotten your head straight and your knuckles would need attention.

61 posted on 02/23/2007 11:33:50 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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This was just a really sad post. I grew up in the 70's and 80's with the 'Jesus is your friend' religion classes. There was absolutely no substance to our CCD classes. She appears to be a victim of this.

I hope she learns to pick up some good Catholic literature soon. It took me awhile but I finally found those books. It appears like she thinks she's so smart and yet her article screams of lack of information. It's just really sad!


63 posted on 02/23/2007 12:02:32 PM PST by samiam1972 (http://imrunningforpresident.blogspot.com/)
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"I started realizing that he is only all loving if you are a Christian heterosexual man or woman who follows every commandment to a tee. "

That is correct. God is angry with you. If you can keep all of the Law, you are righteous. There is a Savior otherwise, but He does require repentance.

There now. That wasn't so hard.


64 posted on 02/23/2007 12:09:32 PM PST by esquirette (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.)
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