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2 posted on 02/21/2007 6:03:43 AM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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Sorry,I forgot to provide the link to the EWTN article
Here it is.....
http://www.ewtn.com/library/THEOLOGY/AUGUSTIN.htm


4 posted on 02/21/2007 7:04:45 AM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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A very interesting but lengthy article. I didn't have time to read everything but here are a few comments:

Scripture speaks always and only of predestination to full membership in Church.

The Eastern Fathers, absolutely all of them, and Westerners before Augustine

So in that theory, God does not really love anyone, He merely uses the few for His own purposes, not for their sake….Of course Augustine did not see this fact, or he would surely have stayed away from his theory.

(Hence, within that framework, he thought that the words of Romans 9:13,"I have loved Jacob and hated Esau" meant that God really hated Esau. And without even looking at Esau's life wanted to damn him) . Actually, St. Paul does not speak of any such thing


6 posted on 02/22/2007 5:50:39 AM PST by HarleyD
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