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To: Vicomte13
NDE's are key.

There's a sign post up ahead... cue Twilight Zone music. Key to what? Proof?

There are already four published peer-reviewed, controlled, long-term medical hospital studies of near-death experiences.

As long as we're dealing with the physical universe, we're limited to zeros & ones, ons & offs, negative or neutral. Hard to know whether or not all of the plinko balls have run their full course, unless you have a detector of some sort on each of them. We're still looking at it with the eyes of children. Life, death, at best it's an educated guess.

All four produced statistically similar results. The experiences described by the control group in all four studies were very similar as to order and content.

I've heard there are similarities in them with people who've been subjected to a high-g environment. There are other individual cases which are quite striking.

All said & done, in my mind, the examinations seem to be a form of chasing rejection, offering evidence which might be convincing to non-believers, those who can not or will not take a simple leap of "faith". I think Satan loves that sort of thing, where people of faith discount & lose sight of the nature & the true power of faith itself. Vicomte13, are you fighting too hard to be "of" this world"? I'm not saying it is wrong to examine everything with the rational mind, only that one shouldn't get oneself too caught up in it.

Essentially, the science, read in totality, strongly indicates the existence of a detachable consciousness which continues for at least some time after clinical and even brain death in about 20% of people (the rest report no memories, which might mean they had no such experiences, or it might mean that they did and don't remember them or don't want to talk about them).

Science has limitations. It is only a tool. Generally, it's a good tool, but it cannot provide all of the answers. My ex talks about doing remote viewing & told me he lied about it (said he doesn't believe in it) when he was given a psych eval. He knew he'd be tagged for extra "help" if he had been truthful with the examiner. We learn it is important to be "of this world" when we're children. Are imaginary friends always imaginary or is it possible we're dealing with a child that has not been fully grounded yet?

And then there are those people who were not clinically dead but who have had direct encounters with divine beings, angels, spirits, etc.

I think it's more common than is reported. Course, I have no proof of it. ;o)

The world is a strange place, both physical and spiritual. We understand some aspects of the physical world, but the spiritual world we can't even figure out how to test. So, all we have there is anecdotal evidence and (competing) revelations.

I agree.

And, of course, even with the same tradition (e.g.: Christianity) there are passionate, even violent, differences of opinion over the MEANING of revelation, let alone the authenticity of it (voir this thread, for instance).

You got that right!

713 posted on 01/31/2007 10:19:54 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly
I wonder how they knew they were divine beings?

After all we can't trust angels of light. A person who goes to heaven or hell doesn't come back, we know that from the bible. Still the Lord of the air and his fallen angels have a realm and more than likely, these deceivers are only too happy to pretend to be divine.

714 posted on 01/31/2007 10:30:41 AM PST by 1000 silverlings
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