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To: Running On Empty; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; topcat54; Frumanchu; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; ...
For reference, Catholic Answers website is as good as any to show the double-speak of the RCC...

"The Catechism of the Catholic Church, following historic Christian theology since the time of the early Church Fathers, refers to the Catholic Church as "the universal sacrament of salvation" (CCC 774–776), and states: "The Church in this world is the sacrament of salvation, the sign and the instrument of the communion of God and men" (CCC 780)...

...while it is normatively necessary to be a Catholic to be saved (see CCC 846; Vatican II, Lumen Gentium 14), there are exceptions, and it is possible in some circumstances for people to be saved who have not been fully initiated into the Catholic Church (CCC 847)...

However, for those who knowingly and deliberately (that is, not out of innocent ignorance) commit the sins of heresy (rejecting divinely revealed doctrine) or schism (separating from the Catholic Church and/or joining a schismatic church), no salvation would be possible until they repented and returned to live in Catholic unity.

That's a pretty big "however." So anyone joining a "schismatic church" will not be saved unless and until they repent and return to live in "Catholic unity."

I don't know of any Protestant church that preaches such intolerance as to insist there are no saved Christians among other churches.

Let's see what a few popes had to say...

"There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved." (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

"We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff." (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

"The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church." (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)...

I assume all these declarations by "infallible" popes have been rescinded, along with the anathemas of Trent. No?

No.

207 posted on 05/16/2007 4:27:39 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved...

I suppose that's one way to advance a see we're not really all that hung up on works argument. Could that be more extreme?

Though I think Vatican II advanced the idea that the Orthodox, the Jew, the Moslem, the Protestant, and those trying to be good people can be saved, the only thing I can say to that quote is my goodness!

211 posted on 05/16/2007 5:17:51 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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