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To: annalex

The chapter you speak of supports no such concept
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7,967 posted on 01/29/2007 11:34:05 AM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger

Of course it does. Do you disagree that it teaches that the elect are from the foundation of the world? Or that they are judged by their works of charity? Or what do you think is missing in it, in support of the doctrine of predestination and free will?


7,970 posted on 01/29/2007 11:36:09 AM PST by annalex
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To: Blogger; annalex

The article argues for both predestination and free will because scripture contains both.

If you exclude one you have to proof-text and spin mightily.

Anyway, here's some of its scriptural references:

Romans 11:33
Isaiah 1: 19
I Tim. 2:4-5
John 3:16
John 5:29
I Tim. 2:5
I Peter 5:7
Matt. 18:14
Psalm 49:1
Ecclesiastes 15:14
Is.55,20
Deut.10:17
Acts 27:3 1


7,984 posted on 01/29/2007 1:27:33 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: Blogger; annalex

A bit off topic, but interesting I think is determinism in the philosophy of science.

At one point it was deduced: if every thing in the finite cosmos is cause and effect, then if we could know the entire conditions at any one point and all the laws all the forces follow, we could know/predict everything that will happen. Another way to put it is that initial conditions determine everything.

This is pure determinism on the scientific level.

However, what scientists are finding out is that a large degree of indeterminism is in the system and yet doesn't violate cause and effect.

I think there is a loose parallel between this and the predetermined vs free will debate.


7,992 posted on 01/29/2007 2:03:21 PM PST by D-fendr
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