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To: P-Marlowe; Forest Keeper; adiaireton8; Kolokotronis; Blogger; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights
I can't believe you are taking things out of context. Please, let's be less emotional about this and read only parts of answers.

Placing things in context:

#3050 FK What do you mean by "Christ took the flesh of His Mother"?

#3052 Kosta In his human nature, in her flesh. God the Word has no flesh, no form, nor shape, no humanity

#3057 P-Marlowe I can't believe I'm reading this stuff

#3057 Blogger Yikes! Now you're flirting with Docetism...Numerous Theophanies of God the Word appeared in the Old Testament...God can take on whatever form he wishes...

To the best of my knowledge, God the Word did not take on, inseparably and without confusion, human nature until Incarnation, theophanies of the Old Testaments being appearances and not real flesh.

God the Word is uncircumscribed and invisible, without flesh or form, which are the qualities of the divine nature. That same God the Word took on human nature (flesh) of Mary and became man (Incarnation), visible and circumscribed, "in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form" (Col 2:9), and the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. (Jn 1:14)

So, I restate that "God the Word has no flesh, no form, nor shape, no humanity." He assumed the form in His human nature which He took from Mary's flesh at Incarnation.

Christianity does not teach that He was flesh from eternity or that He had both divine and human nature from the beginning.

3,063 posted on 12/29/2006 5:21:15 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; P-Marlowe; Forest Keeper; adiaireton8; Blogger; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights

"To the best of my knowledge, God the Word did not take on, inseparably and without confusion, human nature until Incarnation, theophanies of the Old Testaments being appearances and not real flesh."

You are correct. The Fathers speak of this regularly.+Ephraim the Syrian describes this in a particularly straight forward way and contrasts those Theophanies with the Incarnation to point up the importance and difference of that ultimate event in the economy of salvation:

"God's Majesty, that had clothed Itself in all sorts of similitudes, saw that humanity did not want to find salvation through this assistance, so He sent His Beloved One who, instead of the borrowed similitude with which God's Majesty had previously clothed Itself, clothed Himself with real limbs, as the First-born, and was mingled with humanity: He gave what belonged to Him and took what belonged to us, so that this mingling of His might give life to our dead state."


3,065 posted on 12/29/2006 6:18:38 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; adiaireton8; Kolokotronis; P-Marlowe; Blogger; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; ...

"So, I restate that "God the Word has no flesh, no form, nor shape, no humanity." He assumed the form in His human nature which He took from Mary's flesh at Incarnation."

It seems pretty clear that what John is describing is that Jesus, the Word, did not "assume" flesh but was an actual living breathing person (flesh) just as we are with all the limitations of humanity including death. If He "assumed" flesh (life), then He "assumed" death and where does that leave our hope?

John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

1Jo 1:1, "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1Jo 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full."


3,066 posted on 12/29/2006 7:08:40 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; adiaireton8; Kolokotronis; Blogger; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; ...
I can't believe you are taking things out of context.

I didn't. And your explanation doesn't help. In any context the phrase, "God the Word has no flesh, no form, nor shape, no humanity" is heretical.

Perhaps you have a problem with the English language.

The fact of the matter is that the Word BECAME flesh. The WORD didn't merely "assume" the form of a human being. He BECAME a human being.

Christ "assumed" the form of a human being on a number of prior occasions, such as when he wrestled with Jacob, or when he walked in the Garden. But in the incarnation he did more than merely "assume" the form of a human being.

Maybe you should be a little more careful with your words. Your ideas on this subject are downright weird. They culminated in that obviously heretical statement.

Instead of tap dancing around with silly explanations, perhaps you should just withdraw the statement. Sometimes you are just plain wrong. Sometimes you should admit it and move on.

3,070 posted on 12/29/2006 7:29:26 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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