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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[.. Yeah, Seven Spirits of God; I would really like to hear how the Church addresses this. The Orthodox Church simply will not deal with Revelation. ..]

Good point.. Actually almost no one(I know) wants to deal with that.. I know of few that are aware the Book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ(CH:1;1) and not the Apostle John..

Nothing to hamper us however from making ourselves conversant in the book.. Nothing at all.. My experience is it takes the Holy Spirit to open this book up (to me).. must be on a need to know basis.. LoL.. Amazing insights in that book..

13,222 posted on 04/21/2007 9:59:03 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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I'm Reading this Thread off and on as I do my Housework, and the Posts are Awesome! I don't have the Brain-Power to write my Thoughts well, (you are all So Gifted of our Christ!) but I Love to Lurk and Learn at the feet of my Christian Family.

To Him be all Glory and Splendid Honor, both Now and Forevermore. (2Pet.3:18)

13,223 posted on 04/21/2007 10:58:27 AM PDT by Kitty Mittens
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To: hosepipe; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
I know of few that are aware the Book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ(CH:1;1) and not the Apostle John

Well, you will have to take that up with whoever added titles to the books of the NT, because their authorship is highly suspect. The oldest copies (actually shreds or, more politically correct "fragments") do not show titles, but that's another story.

Anyway, as far as those who consider every dot and line in the current copies to be the unquestioned word of God, the Book of Revelation of the NΤ bears the title, in Greek: ΑΠΟΚΑΛΥΨΙΣ ΙΩΑΝΝΟΥ (the Revelation of John).

The Greek word apokalypsis (revelation) means "lifting of the veil." So this lifting of the veil pertains to John; we can say thus that John had [experienced] a revelation from God! Christ, being God, never had a revelation (i.e. "lifting of the veil"); it is He who reveals, not to one to whom it is revealed.

The problem is you are reading the Bible in English, where foreign words give it a rich vocabulary but are used as empty labels without inherent meaning. English-readers of the Bible, however, insist that the HS prohibits them from reading the Word of God in error. I am not convinced.

You can continue to claim that the title is wrong as long as you remember that once you subject to doubt one iota in the Bible, you might as well subject everything in it to doubt.

Speaking of the Book of Revelation, it is no longer regarded as unquestionably written by John the Apostle. But, be it as it may, it was written one way or another by an End-if-Times Jewish believer with advanced theology and exceptional literacy in Greek, for he says "the things which have to happen "in speed" [Greek εν ταχει], or "soon" [NIV, NAB], as some translate, or "shortly come to pass" [KVJ].

This tells us that even after the HS was sent to the Apostles, they continued to live and believe in the imminent End-of-Times and preach that the Kingdom of God is at hand, as they were commissioned to do (to the Jews only, cf. Mat 10:5).

Certainly, +Paul was an apocalyptic Jew, and certainly +Peter was too despite the fact that Christ never said it was "soon," but He did say that it would be "before this generating comes to pass," and that "there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."[Mat 16:28, Mar 9:1, Luk 9:27]. / NB: John 8:52 says something similar but it sounds more like "keeping the law" than just having faith/

Various bible scholars, ever since the 2nd century had to struggle to "explain" why the End-of-Times hasn't happened yet when it was supposed to happen "in speed" as the Bible says, but that's another thread. :)

Suffice it to say that the realization has slowly faded away and was neatly tucked under the carpets by the Church so as not to be something we think about very often, and very possibly this may be why the Book of Revelation is never read in the Orthodox Church.

It's one of those "depends what you mean by 'is' issues."

13,235 posted on 04/21/2007 1:16:56 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: hosepipe
Nothing to hamper us however from making ourselves conversant in the book.. Nothing at all.. My experience is it takes the Holy Spirit to open this book up (to me).. must be on a need to know basis.. LoL.. Amazing insights in that book..

I very strongly agree on all points! Revelation must be Spiritually discerned.

Thank you so much for sharing your testimony and insights!

13,256 posted on 04/21/2007 8:36:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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