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To: John Philoponus
This link says otherwise.

The link does not actually say that. Although I find it interesting that the same site claims that Yahweh was a Canaanite rain god with a bull-horned helmet.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/e/el.html

Where then is the muslim equivalent of the word Yahweh? What is the Muslim equivalent of Milwaukee? YHVH is that YHVH is. If any name is untranslatable, it is The Name. The Tetragrammatron can be represented in Arabic by four letters, just as it is represented by four letters in the Roman alphabet. Ya`-ha`-waw-ya` is much closer to yod-he-vav-he than Y-H-V-H is.

It originally meant "the god", nothing more, nothing less.

And "I am that I am" originally meant a affirmative statement of existence. God's revelation changed that.

More importantly, "al-ilah" is two words meaning "the god" and "Allah" is a single word meaning "God".

Eloi means "my God", Jesus being Jewish was addressing it to Yahweh.

Specifically, it means, "my El", referring to the Levantine sky god El, the husband of the goddess Ashera and the father of the gods Hadad, Yam, and Mot. According to the pantheon.org source you quoted, El is traditionally (as well as Biblically) associated with YHVH.

Find, show me how the word Yahweh is in any way connected with the word "allah". [sic]

They are both Names of God in the Abrahamic tradition, and the names used in Jewish Hebrew and Muslim Arabic scriptures, respectively.

95 posted on 12/04/2006 4:38:54 PM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog
Let's try this again : 1) From the link - "The exclusive monotheistic deity in Islam. The name is derived from 'al-ilah', which literally means "the god". The Prophet Muhammad declared Allah the one and only god (of the Islam) in the 7th century CE. In pre-Islamic times, Allah was the supreme creator-god of the Arabs. The goddesses Allat, Manat, and al-Uzza were considered to be his daughters. " It doesn't get any plainer than that. And from your link - "It is thought that he corresponded to the Hebrew god, Yahweh" You see that? "It is thought", no proof either way. Show me where the name "Yahweh" appears in ancient Pagan texts. When did I ever claimn that the names "El", "Eloim", "Eloah", etc.. weren't in use by Pagan tribes around Israel. This just further proves my point. El, allah, Eloah, Eloi, Elohim are GENERIC names for deity. Just like the word "god". 2) If you can't see what I'm getting at with this point (that the name Yahweh appears no where in islamic holy texts) then I can't help you. The name "allah" does not (and has never) = "Yahweh". EVER. It has never been translated into arabic despite the fact that other semitic peoples (Assyrians and Chaldeans) have translated "Yahweh" as "Mariah" both meaning "Lord". 3) Are you trying to be difficult? "allah" is a contraction of "al ilah" both mean "the god". just like "Allat" is a contraction of "Al lāhat" both meaning "The Goddess". The link I gave you says this in plain English - "allah" = "al ilah" : http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/allah.html "Allat" = "Al lāhat" : http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/allat.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Lat 4) I never said it meant anything other than god, El was a generic name for deity. From wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28god%29 "Cognate forms are found throughout the Semitic languages with the exception of the ancient Ge'ez language of Ethiopia. Forms include Ugaritic ’il, pl. ’lm; Phoenician ’l pl. ’lm, Hebrew’ēl, pl. ’⁏lîm; Aramaic ’l, Arabic ʾilāh; Akkadian ilu, pl. ilāti. The original meaning may have been 'strength, power'. In northwest Semitic usage ’l was both a generic word of any 'god' and the special name or title of a particular god who was distinguished from other gods as being the god, or even in our modern sense God." 5) And you have yet to show me how the word "allah" in arabic relates in any way to the word "Yahweh".
98 posted on 12/04/2006 5:01:01 PM PST by John Philoponus
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