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To: NYer
neither views the other to be in schism.

So whose tradition is correct?

36 posted on 11/11/2006 2:13:55 PM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: Gamecock; All

Please, lets refrain from large and bold fonts. For Peter I am sure would want us to keep to the regular fonts as it easier to read, and as he says in:

2 Peter:3 15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;

Light not heat, GC.

They each claim their traditions are correct. That is why there is a schism in the first place.

The problem I see with the whole schism thing is that because the RC has claimed infallibility, they cannot reconcile with the Orthodox. That makes admitting any flexibility with Orthodox traditions into an admission of fallibility.


39 posted on 11/11/2006 2:41:00 PM PST by Ottofire (Fire Tempers Steel)
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To: Gamecock; Salvation; NYer
"So whose tradition is correct?"

GC, which Tradition are you referring to? Insofar as the Holy Tradition that Elder Cleopas and we Orthodox and Latins are talking about here is concerned, which has to do with who has the authority to correctly interpret scripture, there is no difference.
40 posted on 11/11/2006 2:44:30 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Gamecock; Kolokotronis; Agrarian; NYer; Ottofire; Dr. Eckleburg
"So whos tradition is correct?"

That question is an oxymoron. First it is a Tradition, not tradition, and secondly, the Schism of 1054 did not affect the Tadition, which lives in both particualr Catholic Churchs, East and West, both being One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The fact that these two communities are not in communion is a different issue.

41 posted on 11/11/2006 7:55:38 PM PST by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Gamecock; Kolokotronis

The article speaks of the Holy Tradition with the capital T. Every community of faith, even among the Catholics, have differences in tradition in the everyday sense of the word. For example, different particular churches even inside Catholicism say different prayers at different times, the priests dress differently, the faithful fast differently, etc. The entire body of tradition of course varies even more greatly with the Orthodox; and when the unity of the two great Churches, Catohlic and Orthodox is finally restored, these traditons will remain different.

As to the Holy Tradition, it is by and large the legacy of the Church of the Seven Councils that exited as a single communion till 1054. This we have in common with the Orthodox.

The Catholic Church had some innovations as per the living magisterium, for example, it elaborated on the concept of purgatory, the papacy, and mariology. In these areas you find significant differences with the Orthodox, but these are not properly Holy Tradition for the Catholic, but rather magisterial teaching.


56 posted on 11/12/2006 5:36:34 PM PST by annalex
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