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Halloween: Behind the Mask
Good News Magazine ^ | Fall 2005 | Jerold Aust

Posted on 10/22/2006 10:37:57 AM PDT by DouglasKC

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To: escapefromboston

121 posted on 10/23/2006 7:37:49 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (You can do that, and be a whack-job pedophile on meth.)
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To: bornacatholic
Oh brother. Did the deeper meaning of the parable escape you?
*From the Bible show me where you are its authoritative interpreter.

Not me, but God's spirit working through me:

1Co 2:10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
1Co 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
1Co 2:13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

*From the Bible show me where Jesus taught we must keep those specific days

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

The Lord, the one who became the man Jesus, the messiah, is telling those who worship him the days they should observe.

122 posted on 10/23/2006 7:41:38 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
What you quoted had zilch to do with your putative authority to interpret scripture.

*Good Lord, man. Do you think Jesus taught Levitical Law?

123 posted on 10/23/2006 7:47:44 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: PJ-Comix
Yes. I remember that commandment quite clearly. "Thou shalt not Trick or Treat."

It most likely falls under the 1st commandment:

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

By observing days dedicated to false gods against the wishes of God, you are putting other gods ahead of God.

From the article:

Halloween is a celebration of the opposite—of demonism, witchcraft, death and evil spirits.

God's Word makes it clear that no one should dare entertain witchcraft or act as a sorcerer. "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD" (Deuteronomy 18:10-11, emphasis added throughout).

God pronounced death on any Israelites who would dare dally with demonism or Satanism: "A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:27). "You shall not permit a sorceress to live" (Exodus 22:18).

Why such a harsh penalty? God did not want such perverted, demonic practices to spread among His people and corrupt others. "But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:5).

124 posted on 10/23/2006 7:48:23 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Pope Peter

And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

125 posted on 10/23/2006 7:49:41 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
What you quoted had zilch to do with your putative authority to interpret scripture.<> It comes down to believing scripture and the holy spirit...or you. I think you know who wins that battle.

*Good Lord, man. Do you think Jesus taught Levitical Law?

The pre-incarnate Christ told those that worship him exactly what days to observe. The pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, the Lord, is the same "Lord" who was working with Israel. That's what the bible says and that's what I think.

126 posted on 10/23/2006 7:53:51 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: bornacatholic
And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

I agree with that scripture 100%.

127 posted on 10/23/2006 7:54:34 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
It comes down to believing scripture and the holy spirit...or you. I think you know who wins that battle.

You're the one who's telling us what Scripture means. Where do you get your authority to do that? From whom? Who gave it to you? (Proof is required; claiming "the Holy Spirit gave it to me" is not proof, it's merely begging the question. Any cult leader can say the same thing.)

128 posted on 10/23/2006 8:12:53 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion
You're the one who's telling us what Scripture means. Where do you get your authority to do that? From whom? Who gave it to you? (Proof is required; claiming "the Holy Spirit gave it to me" is not proof, it's merely begging the question. Any cult leader can say the same thing.)

Not that I think I'm Jesus Christ, but the Pharisee's accused him by saying the same thing when he taught biblical doctrine instead of Jewish doctrine:

Luk 20:2 And spake unto him, saying, Tell us, by what authority doest thou these things? or who is he that gave thee this authority?
Luk 20:3 And he answered and said unto them, I will also ask you one thing; and answer me:
Luk 20:4 The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?
Luk 20:5 And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then believed ye him not?
Luk 20:6 But and if we say, Of men; all the people will stone us: for they be persuaded that John was a prophet.
Luk 20:7 And they answered, that they could not tell whence it was.
Luk 20:8 And Jesus said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

The more things change the more they remain the same...

Joh 7:14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
Joh 7:15 And the Jews marveled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

"Do his will". Observe what he said to do, one of which was to observe his feast days. If you do the will of God, observe the holy days he created, you would know that this is true. Oh, and by the way, Jesus was teaching this during one of the feasts commandmended by God, the feast of tabernacles.

129 posted on 10/23/2006 8:29:09 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Do you also avoid birthdays and Fourth of July? Last time I checked Halloween wasn't being celebrated as a religious holiday.


130 posted on 10/23/2006 8:36:34 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Trust: Hard to forge. Easy to break.)
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To: DouglasKC

Let me correct that. It wasn't being celebrated as a religious holiday by Christians. Although, I'm not so sure that the pagans I know celebrate it as anything more than a way to get candy.


131 posted on 10/23/2006 8:38:16 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Trust: Hard to forge. Easy to break.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Awesome! I think I just found my idea for my Halloween costume!


132 posted on 10/23/2006 8:54:48 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Religion is the key to knowing the spiritual world; Science is the key to knowing the physical world)
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To: DouglasKC
So, as I understand it now, Halloween, Harry Potter, the Lord of the Rings, the Theory of Evolution, the Big Bang Theory, modern contraception, vaccinations, standardized academic testing, latitudinarian religious study courses, yoga, Dungeons and Dragons, the Wizard of Oz, and just about everything else under the sun are plots to suppress and destroy Christianity by releasing demons?

I guess when being persecuted is the highest aspiration of one's faith, one will find as many things as possible to persecute them...

133 posted on 10/23/2006 9:06:47 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Religion is the key to knowing the spiritual world; Science is the key to knowing the physical world)
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To: HungarianGypsy

Actually, I bought into the Halloween thing while disagreeing on D&D. D&D is little more than a game of monopoly with a better developed piece to more around the board.


134 posted on 10/23/2006 9:49:50 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Man defiles a rock when he chips it with a tool. Ex 20:25)
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To: DouglasKC
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

What?! Trick or treating is equal to idolatry?

135 posted on 10/23/2006 9:51:27 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Man defiles a rock when he chips it with a tool. Ex 20:25)
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To: bornacatholic
There is plenty of evidence He was born on the 25

Not a lot though. Since the shepards where in the hills, it does indicate that it was later in the year (well, as our calendar currently runs). In the early Church, most of the concern was with calculating Easter right, and Christmas wasn't as big of a concern until a little bit later (still pretty early though).

136 posted on 10/23/2006 10:02:14 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: DouglasKC
Sure I wear a wedding ring.

Actually, if you read some of first and second generations of Christian writers, there is a lot more to prohibit the wearing of any type of gold than there is for celebrating the day before All Saints Day.

How about you use it to spread the Gospel instead? Put a Snickers and a Bible tract out to anyone who comes to the door?

137 posted on 10/23/2006 10:04:29 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
I could cite a ton of evidence. I will once the attacks are renewed in December.

This ought suffice. The Acts of Enrollment were preserved in the Library in Rome and part of early catechesis employed these acts. The Church in Rome knew the day of His birth. It can also be figured from the date of Gospels and referents to Elizabeth's pregnancy etc

138 posted on 10/23/2006 10:06:36 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
Wasn't really disagreeing with you, just stating that it wasn't 100% clear cut. As I said, the ECF's worried a lot more about getting Passover (and hence Easter) right than they did about Christmas. Through in the fact that the Jewish calendar was different than the Roman one, and you get things like the Orthodox have a different formula for Easter than the West.
139 posted on 10/23/2006 10:08:40 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
As Chairman of ABE Ministries, I must disgree with the ECF and the Orthodox
140 posted on 10/23/2006 10:12:47 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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