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To: GAB-1955; AlaninSA
Don't forget that the Protestant Church was not created de novo

As freeper AlaninSA noted to another poster, all the churches that separated from Rome, did so out of ego.

the first churches held that they were carrying on the true traditions of the church universal that had been corrupted by Rome.

Churches? - According to Scripture, Christ wanted us to be one (John 17:22-23).  We are all as a Church to be of one mind and to think the same (Philippians 2:2; Romans 15:5).  There is only to be one "faith" (Ephesians 4:3-6), not many.  For the Church is Christ's Body and Christ only had one Body, not many.  Also, since the Church is Christ's Bride (Ephesians 5:29), can Christ be married to more than one wife (essentially a spiritual form of the the sin of polygamy)?  No, Christ can only have one wife (i.e., one Church, not many).

Corrrupted by Rome? Such as what? Please back up your accusations with facts.

120 posted on 10/22/2006 5:44:12 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

"Corrrupted by Rome? Such as what? Please back up your accusations with facts."

----- How about the facts nailed to the chapel door at Wittenburg by a well educated and loyal Catholic Church Augustinian monk??????


122 posted on 10/22/2006 5:57:14 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: NYer
Body and Christ only had one Body, not many. Also, since the Church is Christ's Bride (Ephesians 5:29), can Christ be married to more than one wife (essentially a spiritual form of the the sin of polygamy)? No, Christ can only have one wife (i.e., one Church, not many).

Jesus has

1Co 7:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. churches everywhere...

And if there ever was a pope, it had to have been Paul...

2Co 11:28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.

Paul's in charge of the Christian church(s)...

Also, since the Church is Christ's Bride (Ephesians 5:29), can Christ be married to more than one wife (essentially a spiritual form of the the sin of polygamy)? No, Christ can only have one wife (i.e., one Church, not many).

When was the wedding??? And the Marriage Supper of the Lamb???

127 posted on 10/22/2006 7:05:49 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: NYer
We are one in faith in Christ Jesus. However the Church Universal is not the same thing as the Roman Catholic Church. In the Church Universal are Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants, among others. Faith in Christ Jesus is our foundation. Catholic doctrine believes that we non-Catholics who have faith but suffer "invincible ignorance" are united to the Catholic faith by desire. There is only one Bride of Christ. It is not based in Rome alone.

I don't see how you can say that the Reformers separated from Rome out of ego. It was not personal vanity that led Luther, Calvin, Zwlingli, Hus, and others, except save in the case of the Anglicans. Yes, these men had strong personalities, but if they did not sincerely believe in the Protestant solas, they would have been successful Catholic priests and bishops. Yet their zeal was for the Gospel of Christ, despite their laws.

Corrupted by Rome? I will state that the doctrine of justification by faith alone was corrupted from Augustine's day, for example. Furthermore, the reliance on Tradition as a source coequal with Scripture was erroneous. Tradition is valuable, but it cannot replace the supremacy of Scripture.
153 posted on 10/22/2006 10:10:18 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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