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1 posted on 10/19/2006 5:57:35 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: NYer; Salvation

Ping.


2 posted on 10/19/2006 5:59:20 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: monkapotamus

Interesting persepctives.


3 posted on 10/19/2006 6:00:17 PM PDT by Maeve
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4 posted on 10/19/2006 6:29:52 PM PDT by NYer
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If you want on (or off) this Catholic and Pro-Life ping list, let me know!



5 posted on 10/19/2006 6:37:37 PM PDT by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: monkapotamus

I am old enough to remember the tension and tough talk leading up to a negotiation between the US and the Soviets. As the talks wore on and they drew closer to an agreement both sides would go out of their way to find nice things to say about each other.

Watch for similar events in the coming days and weeks. It will be a sign that a reconciliation is at hand.


6 posted on 10/19/2006 8:00:44 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: monkapotamus
... _Le Figaro_ reported that Bishop Fellay said the expected _motu proprio_ easing current restrictions on the celebration of the Classical Roman rite of Holy Mass (Traditional Latin Mass) would fulfill one of the two criteria established by the SSPX in 2001 ...

I'm surprised -- I didn't think it would. Good news.

7 posted on 10/19/2006 9:19:13 PM PDT by Dajjal
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Bishop Fellay said the expected motu proprio easing current restrictions on the celebration of the Classical Roman rite of Holy Mass (Traditional Latin Mass) would fulfill one of the two criteria established by the SSPX in 2001 for continuing discussions on the path to possible full canonical regularization. In fact, Bishop Fellay called the expected document "a grand gesture" on the part of the Church

*LMAO What next? Charlie Manson issuing Press releases saying the Govt has yet to meet all of his demands so he will remain in Prison?

8 posted on 10/20/2006 11:07:16 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: monkapotamus
but the SSPX news service, DICI

*DICI stands for Deracinated, Insane, Chimeral, Incoherent

9 posted on 10/20/2006 11:10:09 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre .. excommunicated themselves by ordaining four bishops,....

*lefevbre did this after giving his word and signing an agreement he would NOT go ahead with the ordinations. Of course, he reneged on his word. And many in the sspx cult think these are the sorts of actions guaranteeing he will be, someday, declared a saint

10 posted on 10/20/2006 11:14:45 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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Bishop Fellay requesting his acknowledgement that the Traditional rite has never been abolished by the Church and that every Latin rite priest has the right to offer it.

* WRONG !!!!

Pope Paul VI, 1976...Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people. The Instruction of 14 June 1971 provided the celebration of Mass according to the former rite would be permitted, by faculty from the Ordinary, only for aged or sick priests offering the sacrifice without a congregation. The new Ordo Missae was promulgated in place of the old after careful deliberation and to carry out the directives of Vatican Council II. For a like reason, our predecessor St. Pius V, after the Council of Trent, commanded the use of the Roman Missal revised by his authority.

In virtue of the supreme authority granted to us by Jesus Christ we command the same ready obedience to the other laws, relating to liturgy, discipline, pastoral activity, made in these last years to put into effect the decrees of the Council

"The BEST that can be said for Fellay is he is ignorant The ignorance and the lies NEVER end. It is all agit/prop all the time. And this is the outfit guaranteeing Tradition?

It is an absolute disgrace "The Wanderer" is publishing this claptrap

11 posted on 10/20/2006 11:32:35 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: monkapotamus
especially regarding the much-disputed interpretations of religious liberty, ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue from the Second Vatican Council

*Lefevbre SIGNED EACH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS so we have the hysterically comical and insane scene played out daily whereby the schism Lefevbre started publicly opposes the very Documents he signed.

John Stewart can't write stuff this funny

THe SSPX considers the Second Vatican Council heretical in these aresas which means, it publicly takes the position, without acknowle4dghing it, that its very founder is a heretic because he signed those heretical documents.

Does this make any sense? NO.

Do the sspx cult members care? NO

12 posted on 10/20/2006 11:37:41 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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A quick word search finds the definition of "banal" to be "hackneyed," "trite," "drearily commonplace." In other words, there is no way the consistent use of this word can be perceived by anyone as a positive or glowing assessment of what too often is offered at many churches in the rite of Pope Paul VI.

*Nasty and disingenuous.

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger: The Feast of Faith: Approaches to a Theology of the Liturgy

Lest there be any misunderstanding, let me add that as far as its contents in concerned (apart from a few criticisms), I am very grateful for the new Missal, for the way it has enriched the treasury of prayers and prefaces, for the new eucharistic prayers and the increased number of texts for use on weekdays, etc., quite apart from the availability of the vernacular. But I do regard it as unfortunate that we have been presented with the idea of a new book rather with that of continuity within a single liturgical history.

In my view, a new edition will need to make it quite clear that the so-called Missal of Paul VI is nothing other than a renewed form of the same Missal to which Pius X, Urban VIII, Pius V and their predecessors have contributed, right from the Church?s earliest history. It is of the very essence of the Church that she should be aware of her unbroken continuity throughout the history of faith, expressed in an ever-present unity of prayer.

*WAy to go Wanderer, spred hatred about an apporved Rite of the Catholic Church. So what is tRent teqaches that such a thing in anathema?

13 posted on 10/20/2006 11:44:54 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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Bishop Fellay has repeatedly said that it is "for the good of the Church" that the SSPX makes this request. In other words, the SSPX has repeatedly acknowledged continuously over the years that the Traditional rite is not for their exclusive use.

*So WHAT? IN additon to being nearly infallibly wrong every time he speaks about the Liturgy, he teaches the normative mass is EVIL.

14 posted on 10/20/2006 11:47:05 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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Finally, aIl this agitprop for a schism is directly contrary to ALL Catholic Tradition for 2000+ years.

I find the modern idea there is such a thing as a "good" schism a repulsive and sickening development and I think it is a result of relativism, secularism, and feminism which has so deeply infected and poisoned this cult. The schism embodies eveything bad about the modern world. It is protestantism in Fiddlebacks. It does the work of Satan and it is praised as a preserver of Tradition.

I am going to post a reminder from better days about how to think about schism.

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans

... CHAPTER VIII.--LET NOTHING BE DONE WITHOUT THE BISHOP.

See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

CHAPTER IX.--HONOUR THE BISHOP.

Moreover, it is in accordance with reason that we should return to soberness [of conduct], and, while yet we have opportunity, exercise repentance towards God. It is well to reverence both God and the bishop. He who honours the bishop has been honoured by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil.

THE SSPX SCHISM SERVES SATAN

16 posted on 10/20/2006 11:57:44 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: monkapotamus

Gag. Gag. Puke. Puke. Puke. This is like when John Kerry would say President Bush ought to do what he was about to do and then when he did it say it was good he took his advice.


66 posted on 10/23/2006 2:24:03 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Face it, every empire comes to an end, and ours is on the down hill slope.)
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To: NYer

ping


78 posted on 10/23/2006 5:18:00 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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