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To: monkapotamus; sitetest; narses; Slugworth; murphE; BlackElk
Bishop Fellay requesting his acknowledgement that the Traditional rite has never been abolished by the Church and that every Latin rite priest has the right to offer it.

* WRONG !!!!

Pope Paul VI, 1976...Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people. The Instruction of 14 June 1971 provided the celebration of Mass according to the former rite would be permitted, by faculty from the Ordinary, only for aged or sick priests offering the sacrifice without a congregation. The new Ordo Missae was promulgated in place of the old after careful deliberation and to carry out the directives of Vatican Council II. For a like reason, our predecessor St. Pius V, after the Council of Trent, commanded the use of the Roman Missal revised by his authority.

In virtue of the supreme authority granted to us by Jesus Christ we command the same ready obedience to the other laws, relating to liturgy, discipline, pastoral activity, made in these last years to put into effect the decrees of the Council

"The BEST that can be said for Fellay is he is ignorant The ignorance and the lies NEVER end. It is all agit/prop all the time. And this is the outfit guaranteeing Tradition?

It is an absolute disgrace "The Wanderer" is publishing this claptrap

11 posted on 10/20/2006 11:32:35 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic; monkapotamus; sitetest; narses; Slugworth; murphE; BlackElk
What did Pope Paul VI's successor do?

From John Paul II and Benedict XVI – What Next for the Traditional Mass?

Seeking to improve the situation, in 1986 John Paul II appointed an advisory commission of cardinals. The findings of this commission have never been officially published, but the information that we have from serious sources allows us to affirm, with regards to the question if the Traditional Mass had ever been suppressed, that the opinion of the cardinals was that it had never been suppressed and that a bishop did not have the right to forbid a priest from saying the Traditional Mass. Cardinal Ratzinger in his conference of 24 October 1998 underlined that the Council never forbade the use of the previous liturgical books. In a recent interview, Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estevez emphasised this same opinion that the Missal of St Pius V had never been suppressed.

15 posted on 10/20/2006 11:48:50 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: bornacatholic
Pope Paul VI, 1976...Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.

Was this in an encyclical? Papal Bull? The documents of Vatican II do not support this AT ALL. Can a Pope Unilaterally make these pronouncements?

23 posted on 10/20/2006 2:23:33 PM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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To: bornacatholic

Borna,

I have documented evidence of at least three cardinals very close to our current Pope (Castrillon Hoyos, Medina Estevez and now REPEATEDLY, Archbishop Ranjith). The fact that you obviously do not keep up with the current goings-on of things traditional in the Church and continue to present your biased and skewed views, purportedly representing Catholicism (rather than your own personal biases) is a shame for all those here with eyes to see and hear.

The priests and bishop of Campos, Brazil in 2001 reconciled with the Church without recanting or correction one single doctrinal view. This is the case with the FSSP and ICR as well. They view Vatican II "in light of Tradition." Same for our current Pope. See his 1988 Address to the bishops of Chile.

Pope Paul VI, nor any other Pope, has the right to suppress a rite of Mass that was the primary rite used (Roman) for 1,600 years in the Church. If Pope Paul VI thought he had the power to do so, this Pope, and immemorial custom, are showing differently.

You are mistaken. The SSPX will eventually reconcile once their excommunications are declared null and void, and YOU will become the Catholic dissenter.

And I thought that true ecumenism was your big soapbox issue. Here it is in spades.

Embrace ecumenism with traditionalists "borna"!


40 posted on 10/23/2006 8:22:00 AM PDT by Mershon
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