Do you deny that SSPX is a schism? (Ecclesia Dei)
That SSPX adherents are excommunicated? (Ecclesia Dei)
That excommunicated schismatics are NOT "fellow Catholics"?
That John Paul the Great never lifted the excommunications or declaration of before his death?
That Benedict XVI has not lifted the excommunications or the declaration of schism during his papacy to date?
That you are rising to the defense of SSPX?
That Catholics ought not defend John Paul the Great from the tons of vituperation heaped upon him by those whom he justly declared schismatic and excommunicated?
As to your middle paragraphs, when you are wrong, you are wrong and you are wrong regardless of my response. The tree falling in the woods makes noise (sound waves) whether anyone hears them or not.
If I read your last sentence correctly, you seem to suggest that since your grandmother was Polish, you have no obligation to defend John Paul the Great's reputation and person and office from his excommunicated schismatic enemies. In that event, being not at all Polish but Irish, English, Scottish, Scots-Irish and German, it seems to be inferred that it is my job to defend JP the Great. No problem. If I am wrong in my perception of your last sentence, explain.
BTW, you don't have to agree with anything. God gave you free will to use or abuse. The Church drafts no one. You were whining about my and BAC's "behavior" against SSPX, thereby, ummmm, rising to its defense. Yes, that makes you an apologist. Note that I did not say adherent.
Have the courage of your convictions. Stand up for your beliefs. Stop trying to split the difference. You named two individuals as not excommunicated. I don't know how you would know but I'll leave it to you and to them to make whatever case you may choose to make.
An advantage of being around longer is that one has more in the memory banks. I am reminded by Fellay of the immortal words of the elder Mayor Richard Daley, who, having done a fine job of sending his police after the street reds, was assailed on all fronts during the Demonratic convention riots of 1968, then solemnly informed the press and media: "I have been vilified. I have been crucified. I have even been CRITICIZED!" Of course, Daley, unlike the schismatics, had done the right thing.
He ought to be defended in a just and charitable matter. You act just like the people you criticize.
You were whining about my and BAC's "behavior" against SSPX, thereby, ummmm, rising to its defense. Yes, that makes you an apologist. Note that I did not say adherent.
Oh, give me a break.
Have the courage of your convictions. Stand up for your beliefs. Stop trying to split the difference. You named two individuals as not excommunicated. I don't know how you would know but I'll leave it to you and to them to make whatever case you may choose to make.
My conviction is that your approach, as consistent it may be with Ecclesia Dei, is not charitable. The Vatican's own documents and negotiations with the SSPX since 1988 show that they are taking the charitable route, unlike you and bornacatholic.
It's you and your counterparts on the SSPX side that will be relics of the past. As you shout past each other, the Pope and his successors will continue to reconcile these people to the Church (the founding of the Good Shepherd Institute and the probable universal indult being two good examples) in a forgiving and charitable matter. The orthodox Catholic cause will be strengthened, and they will defeat the modernist cancer in the Church.