He ought to be defended in a just and charitable matter. You act just like the people you criticize.
You were whining about my and BAC's "behavior" against SSPX, thereby, ummmm, rising to its defense. Yes, that makes you an apologist. Note that I did not say adherent.
Oh, give me a break.
Have the courage of your convictions. Stand up for your beliefs. Stop trying to split the difference. You named two individuals as not excommunicated. I don't know how you would know but I'll leave it to you and to them to make whatever case you may choose to make.
My conviction is that your approach, as consistent it may be with Ecclesia Dei, is not charitable. The Vatican's own documents and negotiations with the SSPX since 1988 show that they are taking the charitable route, unlike you and bornacatholic.
It's you and your counterparts on the SSPX side that will be relics of the past. As you shout past each other, the Pope and his successors will continue to reconcile these people to the Church (the founding of the Good Shepherd Institute and the probable universal indult being two good examples) in a forgiving and charitable matter. The orthodox Catholic cause will be strengthened, and they will defeat the modernist cancer in the Church.
Thanks for saying this, Pyro7480. Salient and on-target.
*First of all, I object to your practice of putting BE before me. I know alphabetically he might be, but, I am getting jealous
There is a difference. Me and BE are not romancing the stonehearts. The Pope, like Jesus, is. He is after the lost sheep.
My intent is to mock, scorn, laugh at, ridicule, scandalise, condemn etc etc the schism. I want the schism to be seeen as hateful, insane, heretical and a clear and present danger to the fate of one's immortal soul.
DON'T TOUCH IT. IT IS POISON. IT WILL KILL YOUR SOUL AND DETROY YOUR MIND is what I yell at my brothers and sisters lurking here.
Due to feminism and relativism, the SATANIC idea has taken hold that there can be such a thing as a "good" schism and the sspx, it is thought, is a "good" schism. To real Christian men, that ought be akin to the idea there is such a thing as "good" adultery.
The fact of the matter is the actions of me and BE ARE Tradition. In Tradition, lay men have ALWAYS been masculine and forceful in fighting the enemies of the Church. Sadly, due to the successes of Feminism and the homosexualisation of our society, many men have been cowed (no offense, Oprah) into thinking Phil Donahue or Mike Farrell ought be our role models.
NOT ME!!!
NOT BE (If i may be so bold to speak for him)
Look, we all have been made differently. We all have our own way of being. I use what I have to do what I can to serve My Lord and Saviour and the Church He established. I am willing to stand before Him and account for what I have done vis a vis the schism.
It's you and your counterparts on the SSPX side that will be relics of the past.
*Those who fight and die on behalf of Holy Mother Chuch ought be relics - embedded in the Altar. Many already have been...
Those who fight and die on behalf of the schism will become the leaden crowns on the skulls of the heretical/schismatic Bishops whose heads pave the floor of Hell
The Vatican's own documents and negotiations with the SSPX since 1988 show that they are taking the charitable route, unlike you and bornacatholic.
Well said!
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