Posted on 10/10/2006 5:35:42 PM PDT by Petrosius
THE Pope is taking steps to revive the ancient tradition of the Latin Tridentine Mass in Catholic churches worldwide, according to sources in Rome.
Pope Benedict XVI is understood to have signed a universal indult or permission for priests to celebrate again the Mass used throughout the Church for nearly 1,500 years. The indult could be published in the next few weeks, sources told The Times.
This led to the introduction of the new Mass in the vernacular to make it more accessible to contemporary audiences. By bringing back Mass in Latin, Pope Benedict is signalling that his sympathies lie with conservatives in the Catholic Church.
One of the most celebrated rebels against its suppression was Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who broke with Rome in 1988 over this and other reforms. He was excommunicated after he consecrated four bishops, one of them British, without permission from the Pope.
Some Lefebvrists, including those in Brazil, have already been readmitted. An indult permitting the celebration of the Tridentine Mass could help to bring remaining Lefebvrists and many other traditional Catholics back to the fold.
The priests of England and Wales are among those sometimes given permission to celebrate the Old Mass according to the 1962 Missal. Tridentine Masses are said regularly at the Oratory and St Jamess Spanish Place in London, but are harder to find outside the capital.
The new indult would permit any priest to introduce the Tridentine Mass to his church, anywhere in the world, unless his bishop has explicitly forbidden it in writing.
Catholic bloggers have been anticipating the indult for months. The Cornell Society blog says that Father Martin Edwards, a London priest, was told by Cardinal Joseph Zen, of Hong Kong, that the indult had been signed. Cardinal Zen is alleged to have had this information from the Pope himself in a private meeting.
There have been false alarms before, not least because within the Curia there are those genuinely well-disposed to the Latin Mass, those who are against and those who like to move groups within the Church like pieces on a chessboard, a source told The Times. But hopes have been raised with the new pope. It would fit with what he has said and done on the subject. He celebrated in the old rite, when Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.
The 1962 Missal issued by Pope John XXIII was the last of several revisions of the 1570 Missal of Pius V. In a lecture in 2001, Cardinal Ratzinger said that it would be fatal for the Missal to be placed in a deep-freeze, left like a national park, a park protected for the sake of a certain kind of people, for whom one leaves available these relics of the past.
Daphne McLeod, chairman of Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, a UK umbrella group that campaigns for the restoration of traditional orthodoxy, said: A lot of young priests are teaching themselves the Tridentine Mass because it is so beautiful and has prayers that go back to the Early Church.
TRADITIONAL SERVICE
"Nothing unites like language. The power inherent in Latin scholarship around the world is incalculable."
More "magick Latin" malarkey. The "power inherent in Latin scholarship around the world" is no different from the "power inherent in Greek scholarship around the world"---or the "power of (insert name of your favorite dead language here) scholarship around the world".
Look, Latin is NOT "magick". The re-institution of the "traditional Latin mass" will NOT "magickally" bring absent Catholics back to the pews in droves (which seems to be the "core belief" of supporters of "TLM").
Ah, a voice of sanity. Admittedly, I'd like to see the NO language "tweaked" to be a bit less insipid (steal the old "Episcopalian Book of Common Prayer" language, file off the serial numbers, fix any "non-Roman doctrine" errors, and plug it in).
There is no Hebrew, and the Greek is limited to three words in two phrases:
Kyrie Eleison
Christe Eleison
Kyrie Eleison
Anyone with a year long memory will brush this crap aside.
Last year, at this EXACT time (middle of October), rumors were flying about the TLM being brought back out to public through the usage of a Universal Indult. (I remember this because I told a friend before I volunteered to go on the Confirmation retreat, which my parish holds in november).
Until I see a statement from a Vatican source, or the Pope and His Promulgation, then there is no credibility in this.
Ok. I might retract that statement.
Yahoo news is running the story on their front page.
Nifty.
"There is no Hebrew," amen, alleluia.
Yes there is. Amen?
Sabaoth
Hosannah
Yes, I believe that is what B XVI would like as well (not sure about the BCP though). Unfortunately, one of the first examples of this tweaking is changing that wonderful statement of faith, "I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed" to a mundane, "I am not worthy to have you under my roof, etc." So, I'm not exactly hopeful.
You mean something like this?
:)
No bishop that ever wants to be a Cardinal would be smart to go agains His Holiness in this. The ones that are already Cardinals can play that if they want, but he has other ways of dealing with them. They'd be best to just let it go.
Eli, eli, lama sabachtani.
And as for Fr. Off-the-Cuff: well, he could probably continue to ad-lib lines, but it would be more jarring and discordant, and maybe he'd stop from plain embarrassment.
Oremus.
WRONG, friend. Spanish is the most spoken language on the planet.
Is that in the order of the Mass?
Ours says something about the "Friendship of the Holy Spirit", then he says "Good Morning everyone" and we say "Good Morning, Father."
It's weird. I don't like Good Mornings in the Mass. It's not morning, it's Sunday. If he wants to stop for an announcement break, that's ok, but not during the Mass itself. Then they have the announcements after Ita, Missa Est, which I think is bizarre, but that's just because of my upbringing.
Where is that in the Mass? And isn't that Aramaic?
And re Hosanna and Amen, they're in the English mass, you don't hear people saying the vernacular mass is a mixture of English, Greek, and Hebrew.
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