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Pope leaves limbo in limbo
News.Com. au ^ | October 6, 2006 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 10/06/2006 10:17:04 AM PDT by FJ290

POPE Benedict has decided to keep limbo in limbo a little longer.

For nearly a year the Church's International Theological Commission has been working on a document expected to recommend he formally abolish limbo, the place where centuries of Catholic tradition held that babies who die without baptism went.

The Pope said a mass with members of the commission today, but, contrary to some media speculation, he did not mention the concept in his homily and announced no decision.

The media reports had said the Pope would formally cancel limbo today but a key participant, Italian Archbishop Bruno Forte, said the 30-member commission were still fine-tuning their document.

"The Pope did not mention it today in his homily. We are still working on the document. No vote has been taken. I think nothing will be ready to hand up to him until 2007," he said by telephone after the morning mass with the Pontiff.

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KEYWORDS: catholic; limbo; tradition
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1 posted on 10/06/2006 10:17:05 AM PDT by FJ290
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Pope leaves limbo in limbo

Concept of Limbo "no longer to explain the eternal fate of unbaptized babies"

Limbo under threat from Vatican theologians

Limbo

Limbo and the Hope of Salvation

2 posted on 10/06/2006 10:19:04 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer; Salvation; Coleus; Campion; Pyro7480; livius

Catholic Ping!


3 posted on 10/06/2006 10:20:00 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: FJ290

Paris Hilton will be in bimbo limbo.


4 posted on 10/06/2006 10:20:10 AM PDT by llevrok (When you take my gin from my cold, dead hand....)
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To: FJ290
"Limbo" - the Italian word for the limbus patrum cannot be "abolished" - it exists and is a perennial doctrine of the Church from the earliest times.

St. Peter mentions it in his first epistle 3:18-20.

5 posted on 10/06/2006 10:21:16 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: llevrok
Paris Hilton will be in bimbo limbo.

ROFLOL!

6 posted on 10/06/2006 10:22:09 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: Salvation
Thnaks. The press should never be allowed to write about theology until they have taken a class to educate them out of their moronic mistakes.

This is the old argument about whether the limbus pagtrum also applies to unbaptized infants.

it isn't a debate over whether the limbus exists.

7 posted on 10/06/2006 10:25:30 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for all the links. Salvation, if you have time to ping other Catholics to the subject, I would appreciate it. I'm at work and could only remember some Catholic Id's off the top of my head. If you are like wise busy, no problem.


8 posted on 10/06/2006 10:28:54 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: wideawake
The press should never be allowed to write about theology until they have taken a class to educate them out of their moronic mistakes.

The press is always the first to jump anytime it deals with the Catholic Church. I wish they would have at least waited until a final decision had been made before spreading the rumor that the Pope was going to abolish this.

9 posted on 10/06/2006 10:31:04 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: wideawake

Please explain how this passage is referring to what is today called limbo. Thanks.


10 posted on 10/06/2006 10:54:54 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: wideawake
it isn't a debate over whether the limbus exists.

Sure it is...And it's like the Pope making a new decree today that states no one over 60 can go to heaven, unless he wills his property to the church...

How do you deal with your leader playing games with someone's eteranal soul???

Either it's true and it's a law written in heaven, or it's not true...Maybe you people don't REALLY believe in heaven or HELL...

11 posted on 10/06/2006 11:11:14 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: jkl1122
After the crucifixion Christ descended into "the lower parts of the earth" according to Ephesians and according to 1 Peter he "preached to the spirits in prison" from the times of Noah and the preparation of the ark.

That portion of hell where these spirits were imprisoned is called the limbus or border, of hell.

12 posted on 10/06/2006 11:32:58 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Iscool
Sure it is...

No, it is not.

The question is the fate of unbaptized infants.

And it's like the Pope making a new decree today that states no one over 60 can go to heaven, unless he wills his property to the church

The Pope, by definition, cannot make such a decree because (1) the Pope by his nature cannot decree the fate of anyone and (2) it violates the scriptural injunction against simony.

How do you deal with your leader playing games with someone's eteranal soul???

The Pope is a serious man who does not play games, and he has no authority or inclination to play games with anyone's eternal soul.

You are living in a heretical fantasy land divorced from ecclesiastical reality.

Either it's true and it's a law written in heaven, or it's not true...

There are many questions which no one on earth will know the answer to until God reveals it in the fulness of time to his elect.

You and I simply cannot know the truth about everything.

Maybe you people don't REALLY believe in heaven or HELL...

Slander. No Christian would make such a statement.

13 posted on 10/06/2006 11:40:06 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: FJ290

So how many things has the media reported to be on the pope's agenda which haven't come to pass? The press is as accurate as a blindfolded dart-throwing drunk riding a merry-go-round.


14 posted on 10/06/2006 11:57:09 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: FJ290
Perhaps he met with them privately and referred them to the Catechism. Maybe they haven't had time to read it yet:

1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.

64 Mk 10 14; cf. 1 Tim 2:4.

15 posted on 10/06/2006 12:19:57 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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"If I knew God I'd be Him"


16 posted on 10/06/2006 1:42:55 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: wideawake
That portion of hell where these spirits were imprisoned is called the limbus or border, of hell.

That place is called Abraham's Bosom...And it's empty...Hasn't been any souls there for a couple thousand years...

17 posted on 10/06/2006 2:14:19 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
That place is called Abraham's Bosom...

Abraham is there no longer.

And it's empty...

It is certainly empty of the pre-Incarnation patriarchs. The name limbus patrum literally means "borderland of the fathers" i.e. Adam, Abraham, Moses, etc.

Hasn't been any souls there for a couple thousand years...

That's precisely the question at issue - do the souls of unbaptized infants go to the lake of fire, to heaven or to a place like the Bosom of Abraham of former times?

This is a matter the Church has not defined dogmatically - it is a speculative matter, mostly because it does not pertain to the salvation of believers, but to children who were not old enough to consciously believe in Christ.

18 posted on 10/06/2006 5:51:06 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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19 posted on 10/06/2006 8:01:09 PM PDT by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: FJ290

Passive protection of the Holy Ghost.


20 posted on 10/06/2006 8:03:51 PM PDT by reductio
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