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To: Alamo-Girl
I cannot honestly say that a person did not say a particular thing.

But the issue here is the veracity of the quote:

Darwin said that "life can only come from life."

How many times around the mulberry bush before people admit that the quote here attributed to Charles Darwin does not appear in any of his published works or private letters and is therefore unsubstantiated?

1,718 posted on 09/28/2006 10:47:22 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Liberal Classic

I think the quote was in post 249 rather than 238. The kind of typo I'm good at. But I have it covered.

I'm glad you linked to 238 however. It contains a wish to have Yockey studied in high school.

Yockey turns out to be the Brier patch. Since the anti-evolutionists have been touting him for as long as I have been following these threads, I assumed he was a Behe/Dembski clone.

Imagine my surprise when I find he is a vocal anti-creationist who believes abiogenesis happened in a completely naturalistic way. Not only that, but he has written peer reviewed articles from the standpoint of information theory, arguing that "Darwinism" has been proved beyond doubt.


1,723 posted on 09/28/2006 11:24:35 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: Liberal Classic; js1138; betty boop; Religion Moderator
Once again for clarity – I cannot say and I doubt any mortal other than Darwin himself could ever have said that he didn’t say a particular phrase, i.e. that “life can only come from life.”

I can say, and have repeatedly said on this thread that “life from life” or “life begets life” or “omne vivum ex vivo” is the necessary presupposition for the theory of evolution which Darwin did say (many times and in many ways) – and also, ironically, is the Law of Biogenesis though he did not posit a theory of biogensis v abiogenesis.

Darwin envisioned the evolutionary tree of life as a continuum – as these sentences sourced to him at post 1609 attest (emphasis mine):

As all the living forms of life are the lineal descendants of those which lived long before the Cambrian epoch, we may feel certain that the ordinary progression by generation has never once been broken and no cataclysm has devastated the world. …from so simple a beginning [i.e., pre-Cambrian life forms] endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved. [Origin of Species, Chapter XV.]

I strongly aver that the phrase “life can only come from life” is a legitimate paraphrase of the above.

Frankly, the manner in which you and js1138 have prosecuted this issue suggests that the subject is not the substance of the matter but rather a goal to tarnish another Freeper, an activity which is expressly disallowed on this Religion Forum.

I further assert that it has been a common “technique” on the evolutionist side of the debate to call their opponents “liars.” That such a technique would be used at all suggests there is weakness on your side of the debate, i.e. a person doesn't throw spitwads if he has ammunition.

The Religion Moderator has set the tone twice concerning two different Freepers. Both at post 456 and 1648, the term “false statement” was used to describe the same error by posters on your side of the debate. In neither case was the evolutionist Freeper who made the false statement tarnished - neither was an apology sought nor was one offered in either case.

Going any further than the substance of the statement - true or false - is an attempt to attribute motive and/or tarnish the poster, which is clearly "making it personal" - also expressly disallowed on this Religion Forum.

1,732 posted on 09/29/2006 7:01:10 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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