I can say, and have repeatedly said on this thread that “life from life” or “life begets life” or “omne vivum ex vivo” is the necessary presupposition for the theory of evolution which Darwin did say (many times and in many ways) – and also, ironically, is the Law of Biogenesis though he did not posit a theory of biogensis v abiogenesis.
Darwin envisioned the evolutionary tree of life as a continuum – as these sentences sourced to him at post 1609 attest (emphasis mine):
Frankly, the manner in which you and js1138 have prosecuted this issue suggests that the subject is not the substance of the matter but rather a goal to tarnish another Freeper, an activity which is expressly disallowed on this Religion Forum.
I further assert that it has been a common “technique” on the evolutionist side of the debate to call their opponents “liars.” That such a technique would be used at all suggests there is weakness on your side of the debate, i.e. a person doesn't throw spitwads if he has ammunition.
The Religion Moderator has set the tone twice concerning two different Freepers. Both at post 456 and 1648, the term “false statement” was used to describe the same error by posters on your side of the debate. In neither case was the evolutionist Freeper who made the false statement tarnished - neither was an apology sought nor was one offered in either case.
Going any further than the substance of the statement - true or false - is an attempt to attribute motive and/or tarnish the poster, which is clearly "making it personal" - also expressly disallowed on this Religion Forum.
No it isn't. You are simply wrong.
As all the living forms of life are the lineal descendants of those which lived long before the Cambrian epoch... refers to a specific period of time, the era of single celled organisms (long before the Cambrian -- a period encompassing approximately 3.3 billion years).
If you want to participate in this debate, you simply have to wrap your mind around what common descent actually means. It means that all multi-celled organisms on earth are descended from the population of pre-cambrian single-celled organisms. That's what the Darwin quote says, and that's pretty close to the modern theory.
Furthermore, there is strong evidence from the identical cell machinery in all cellular organisms, that all cellular life is related.
The statement that “life can only come from life” is a statement about the impossibility of abiognesis. Both Darwin and Yockey are on record in the clearest possible terms supporting abiogenesis as either a possibility or, in Yockey's case, a near certainty.
The facts are quite plain here. Someone has made a false statement on this forum and attributed a quote to Darwin that Darwin's writings contradict.
Excuse me? Within the last day I've seen the fake "Darwin recanted on his Deathbed" yarn, and I've seen false claims that there are no transitional fossils. It would behoove the creationists and ID-ists to police their own, tell their compatriots that by making claims that even AiG has disowned they are lowering the credibility of all anti-evolution activists.
I assume that this post will be pulled and AG will be required to login again, seeing as how this sentence is clearly attributing motives (to tarnish someone) to other posters.
Now to me the appropriate thing to do in this situation is say, "Oops, I was mistaken, I misattributed those words," not go on saying, "Well, he might have said it, and I think he ought to have said it." What might have happened or should have happened doesn't really have bearing on what actually happened, and what actually happened is what's important.
Alamo-Girl, the words above written by you "read my mind" and ascribes motives to me. Is this not against the rules?
It's important to us because some advocates of creationism/intelligent design have developed the unfortunate habit of taking quotes out of context or fabricating them entirely. As people of goodwill, with a commitment to reason, fairness, and the truth, it is incumbent upon all of us to strive for accuracy.
Once again for clarity – I cannot say and I doubt any mortal other than Darwin himself could ever have said that he didn’t say a particular phrase, i.e. that “life can only come from life.”
These are weasel words. They do not clarify; they muddy the waters. When discussing historical figures, we generally rely on the written record. Is it acceptable to make up quotations that we believe an author should have said? No, this is not an example of good scholarship.
To correct someone who has made a factual error is not to characterize them as a liar. The proper course of action for all people of goodwill, with a committment to reason, fairness, and the truth is to say, "I stand corrected" not to hem, haw, and make excuses.
Here's something Darwin definitely did say about one (or two) of his premises (bold is from me):
I must here premise that, according to the view ordinarily received [PH here: I think he means creationism], the myriads of organisms, which have during past and present times peopled this world, have been created by so many distinct acts of creation. It is impossible to reason concerning the will of the Creator, and therefore, according to this view, we can see no cause why or why not the individual organism should have been created on any fixed scheme. That all the organisms of this world have been produced on a scheme is certain from their general affinities; and if this scheme can be shown to be the same with that which would result from allied organic beings descending from common stocks, it becomes highly improbable that they have been separately created by individual acts of the will of a Creator. For as well might it be said that, although the planets move in courses conformably to the law of gravity, yet we ought to attribute the course of each planet to the individual act of the will of the Creator. It is in every case more conformable with what we know of the government of this earth, that the Creator should have imposed only general laws. ...Source: The foundations of the Origin of Species: Two essays written in 1842 and 1844 by Charles Darwin.