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Darwin on the Right: Why Christians and conservatives should accept evolution
Scientific American ^
| October 2006 issue
| Michael Shermer
Posted on 09/18/2006 1:51:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Dimensio
I was not aware that any scientific theory is presented as "gospel". Well, the ToE is presented as truth; and that is what 'gospel' is.
(Ok; if you want to pick at a nit - gospel is Good News; and the 'good news' of the ToE is that we don't have to believe any 'unsupported by scientific fact' creation stories of ANY stripe, any more.)
521
posted on
09/20/2006 6:29:26 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: srweaver
(Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
For it is on the same side of the slope as 1.5 million abortions yearly in the good, 'ol, USofA!
You do the math....
Kinda like 500 9/11's a year!
And we're upset at Islamofascists?? gimme a break!!!
522
posted on
09/20/2006 6:33:57 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Religion Moderator; King Prout
It is tolerable however to say the statement made by another poster is false, incomplete, misinformed, inaccurate, etc.Then, would that not indicate that the poster is a LIAR???
"We report; you decide"?
523
posted on
09/20/2006 6:40:38 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: NewLand
(Always Remember September 11, 2001)
For it is only 1/500th as bad as what happens yearly in our Cathedrals of Choice in the USA.
524
posted on
09/20/2006 6:43:08 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: King Prout
The SHADOW knows....What evil lurks in the heart of men.
525
posted on
09/20/2006 6:44:27 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Liberal Classic
An excerpt from: Radiometric Dating, A Christian Perspective This is what happens when dating outside yer own race is allowed to occur... ;^)
526
posted on
09/20/2006 6:46:17 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Thatcherite; King Prout; All
Supposing, as a hypothetical example, someone were to post along the lines that "CHRISTIANITY is a LIE", "ALL Christians are FOOLS trying to destroy America and the Western World". Would such statements be permitted or are blanket insults applied to particular groups only permitted when they come from Christian fundamentalists and are directed at those who disagree with certain tenets of Christian fundamentalism?
That kind of thing happens all the time on the Religion Forum, hence the guidelines are tougher here.
The crevo debate is like childs play compared to some of the deadly serious hostilities held among the various confessions. It is not at all unusual for a member of one to consider the practice, belief or roots of another to be anathema, damnable, cursed, demonic, satanic, the very source of evil in the world.
So the posters argue as if the differences are a matter of life and death for everyone because in their minds, it is. Many if not most of them believe it is their commission in life to spread their particular doctrine. And none of them are likely to change beliefs. After all, if they believed there was anything faulty with their own confession, why would they embrace it in the first place much less prosecute all other beliefs?
This forum has no official doctrine. Therefore, it is tolerable for all sides to air their grievances, poke fun at each other, dispute beliefs and so on but when the discussion turns personal, even slightly, a flame war is apt to quickly follow. Thus the guideline of discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal is strictly enforced here.
Despite all of this, still there are some who take affronts to their confession as a personal affront. But there is nothing I can do to help the particularly thin-skinned among us.
Nevertheless, it has been evidenced quite clearly that it is possible for posters of various confessions to air their differences frankly but respectfully to the benefit of all lurkers. My shining example of this is the Luther and Erasmus thread.
Now that this crevo thread is on the Religion Forum, all participants must comply with the guidelines. Philosophical beliefs (methodological naturalism, metaphysical naturalism, scientism, scientific materialism, realism, idealism, etc.) will be treated here with the same equal hand as theological beliefs.
To: stultorum
Christians and conservatives should NOT accept evolution as evolution is simply anti God, anti Christians and anti Western Culture. It's just a wedge issue.
-- Screwtape
528
posted on
09/20/2006 6:48:20 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: stultorum; King Prout
529
posted on
09/20/2006 6:51:31 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Religion Moderator
530
posted on
09/20/2006 6:51:52 AM PDT
by
Thatcherite
(I'm PatHenry I'm the real PatHenry all the other PatHenrys are just imitators)
To: Thatcherite
It does seem that general broad brush statements that categorise all biologists/scientists whether Christian or not as liars and fools are permitted. Likewise similar insults against non-Christians as a group appear to be permitted. The difference between a club and a rapier perhaps?
531
posted on
09/20/2006 6:53:16 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Virginia-American
You're just ignoring the reptile-to-mammal sequence, and the eohippus-to-horse sequence, both of which are quite smooth.Alas; I fail to understand.
532
posted on
09/20/2006 6:54:28 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Virginia-American
Who would expect a part-frog and part-rabbit?A frog with fur would be a good starting point....
On a similar vein: "No one expects the Inquisition."
533
posted on
09/20/2006 6:55:56 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Elsie; King Prout
The term "liar" attributes ill motive or evil intent to the other poster - thus it is not tolerable on the Religion Forum. It is "making it personal."
For instance, a false statement was made at post 454 which I corrected at post 456.
To characterize the original statement as a "lie" or the poster as a "liar" would have been inflammatory and since I cannot read his mind, also false.
To: Religion Moderator
Thanks you for explaining these things!
It seems sometimes that the Mods are above it all, applying judgement with having to explain themselves.
535
posted on
09/20/2006 7:00:00 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Religion Moderator
536
posted on
09/20/2006 7:01:11 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: wideawake
Well said, indeed.Thanks.
Isn't it amazing? This Shermer guy, who believes in the "correct," non-ID form of Theistic evolutionism, basically comes right out and states that morality is a gradually evolving utilitarian social construct (a Divine Lawgiver being thus completely unnecessary), and the only people who object are "simple minded rednecks?" No one else is offended? No one else hears any warning bells whatsoever? And anti-ID Theistic evolutionists continue to prattle about their "lxrd and savior" who incarnated himself into a world in which G-d never interferes. "Rationalists" can be so irrational!
Anyone who insists that G-d created the universe via evolution (while attacking IDers for saying the exact same thing) and then insists that same creation is "unintended" and finally that all morality is the product of human experience (rather than Divine Revelation) has no business accusing anyone else of "bad theology."
To: Elsie
Speaking personally, when a group that I'm a member of receives a blanket insult it seems just as personal to me as when I receive a personal insult.
"Britons are all pinko queers" would actually upset me more than "You are a pinko queer" which I find easy to laugh off. If that makes me too thin-skinned for the religion forums then I guess I shall take my leave. I don't suppose anyone will miss me. :)
538
posted on
09/20/2006 7:03:16 AM PDT
by
Thatcherite
(I'm PatHenry I'm the real PatHenry all the other PatHenrys are just imitators)
To: King Prout
evidently you *do* have a problem with *whoever* made the decision to relocate this thread into the religion category. No, I don't.
My "problem" is with the lightweight "thesis" proposed by the author, then duly propped up by the original poster as part of an old, worn out agenda.
My fellow FReepers skillfully disposed of the issue. FR deserves better than this.
539
posted on
09/20/2006 7:03:22 AM PDT
by
NewLand
(Always Remember September 11, 2001)
To: Elsie
It seems sometimes that the Mods are above it all, applying judgement with having to explain themselves.
The moderators - especially on the news forum - are woefully overworked and simply do not have the time to explain things. For instance, the posters here only see a troll's zotted post now and again - there are many, many, trolls who are nabbed and nuked before they hit the ground.
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