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To: vladimir998
I'll call you what you are: Protestant. Words and their meanings matter.

Okay, whatever.

But you're one of them. If you don't stand with orthodoxy then you aren't orthodox.

Okay, whatever. I guess.

The proper response to all error in all things is truth. The Church is called the pillar and bulwark of the truth by St. Paul.

Says you:

1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

I believe God is the pillar and ground of truth and I believe that's exactly what Paul was saying.

The Church is the proper guardian and interpreter of the scripture -- not you

I never claimed to be. Fortunately I put my faith in Jesus Christ and his spirit to lead me to truth.

You guess. Gee, you have to guess when you have the Bible?

lol. Good one.

66 posted on 07/09/2006 4:07:31 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

You wrote: "I believe God is the pillar and ground of truth and I believe that's exactly what Paul was saying."

But that wasn't what he was saying. Read the passage YOU posted again:

1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

The CHURCH OF THE LIVING GOD is the pillar and ground of the truth. The Church. That's what St. Paul says.

"I never claimed to be. Fortunately I put my faith in Jesus Christ and his spirit to lead me to truth."

And He sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Church to get it right. Trust Christ then.


68 posted on 07/09/2006 4:32:32 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: DouglasKC
I believe God is the pillar and ground of truth and I believe that's exactly what Paul was saying.

That isn't what he wrote, though. I think any objective analysis of the Greek will tell you that "pillar and ground of the truth" is appositive to "church of the living God".

We can all go around assuming that Paul wrote what we want him to have written. That does quite a bit of violence to the idea that Scripture is our authority, however, because it makes what we want Scripture to say into our real authority.

95 posted on 07/10/2006 6:58:08 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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