How Did The Catholic Church Avoid The Dire Situation That Looms For The Episcopal Church?

Catholic Report ^ | June 23, 2006 | Dave Hartline

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues, don't make it personal.

[Dr. Thorne]

Oh please. Perhaps these priests have not admitted being gay but the hierarchy knows full well what is up with them. They turn a blind eye because it has become very difficult to get young men to enter the priesthood.

[Cheverus]

I would certainly hope that a large number of converts come our way....might be nice to hear what proper singing sounds like.

Though they are wrong not all will be conservative.

I work with a woman who is High Liturgist, socially conservative who thinks Ordaining women is valid. Since the election of the woman Bishop she is openly talking about swimming the river...she thinks the woman is a totally unqualified liberal.

[tioga]

-what's with the rainbow vestments?-- ahh, I would guess A or B, or maybe C, no, how about D???? I know all of the above - E!!

[NYer]

Your comments are unrelated to the article?

[marshmallow]

Because the Catholic church maintains an anti-homosexual doctrine while turning a blind eye to homosexual acts between priests and the predation of young boys by priests.

No and no.

Firstly, the Catholic Church does not maintain an "anti-homosexual doctrine". It simply teaches that sodomy is a sin and that homosexuals are called to chastity, as is everyone outside the married state.

Secondly, the scandal was not caused by the Church turning a "blind eye" but rather by those who rebel against Church teaching. There is a war going on within most Churches right now and the Catholic Church is no exception.

In the Episcopal Church, that war seems pretty much over and the homos have hoisted their pink victory flag. In the Catholic Church, we're still in the thick of it.

[Dr. Thorne]

The article suggests that the Catholic Church has avoided the problem now faced by the Episcopal Church. The Catholic Church may have avoided the controversy, but not the gay problem. They have simply accepted it and keep it below the radar. Why should gay priests make a lot of noise when they have a great situation for them to live their lives amid the Catholic gay sub-culture?

[NYer]

That "Beach Boys Eucharist" photo is an absolute keeper.

Like that? Well then, you'll really appreciate this. Be sure to choose the speed based on your web link.

CLOWN MASS VIDEO - Trinity Episcopal Church

[Talking_Mouse]

Dave Hartline What about 2,000 years of Christian tradition?

Rev. Susan Russell... I am a cradle Episcopalian. I still believe in the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. I grew up saying that. I don't know if you are aware of it but that's what we said. I want to have unity with your church but we aren't going back to being second class citizens. You know we have a level of support in all of the churches, including yours and among some important people too. Just not important enough. {Bolding mine}.

The important Persons are the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. No other support matters.

[Convert from ECUSA]

Drat! Now I have to get a new keyboard and monitor, I just spewed coffee all over them!

[Convert from ECUSA]

e) Two we don't have any idea what they are!

[tioga]

-is that for real??? what a mockery......I really hope it was a comedy tv show or something......rme.

[Claud]

As my wife said to me, imagine how you would feel if some group or social movement tried to take over the Catholic Church? Well it almost happened. I distinctly remember being in grade school (1970’s) and hearing a liberal priest telling a friend’s parents, “Just wait by the end of this decade all of the barriers of this Church will come crashing down.”

He's 100% right, it almost did. Yet something happened....not even sure what or why exactly. Orthodoxy is in resurgence; bishops are growing spines.

Is it because we are smarter, wiser, less sinners than Anglicans? I don't think so.

The only thing that keeps us together is that promise that "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it". Somehow, somewhere, someway, against all hope or reason, torn apart by sinful men, bruised and battered and beaten from one continent to the other, betrayed and backstabbed by its own bishops, the Church still stands in the end.

If that isn't proof of God's Providence....

[marshmallow]

The article suggests that the Catholic Church has avoided the problem now faced by the Episcopal Church. The Catholic Church may have avoided the controversy, but not the gay problem. They have simply accepted it and keep it below the radar. Why should gay priests make a lot of noise when they have a great situation for them to live their lives amid the Catholic gay sub-culture?

No Doc, we haven't accepted anything.

The homos and their facilitators have made a push to take over critical areas in the American Church. The recent scandal brought many of these people and their networks to light. There is now a real cleanup effort underway, beginning in the seminaries, which is being fought tooth and nail by the lavendar mafia.

Pockets of resistance will continue to appear for some time.

[Rutles4Ever]

What we've avoided is not the internal homosexual problems, but official sanctioning of said lifestyle. That will NEVER happen. Period.

[Antoninus]

How Did The Catholic Church Avoid The Dire Situation That Looms For The Episcopal Church?

What was that thing about 'the gates of hell not prevailing' again?

[ArrogantBustard]

I'm pretty sure that the one on the left (that which is wearing its stole after the manner of a Deacon) is female. I'm pretty sure that the one on the right ("Raise Your Arms if You're Sure") is a transsexual. But I'm not sure in which direction. And I could be mistaken on both counts.

[Antoninus]

The Catholic Church has been knowingly ordaining gay priests for years.

Uh, no. Some bishops have been doing so. And most devout Catholics will tell you that these disobedient bishops are a major source of the problem.

[NYer]

Because of their agenda, more and more Episcopalians will leave for the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church or Evangelical churches.

Not to be overlooked are the

EASTERN CATHOLIC CHURCHES

[mikemach5]

Rev. Susan Russell It is growing. I am sure you have been told it is not but I can tell you it is.

Dave Hartline So tell me Rev. Russell, why is it that the sky is blue?

Rev. Susan Russell It isn't. I'm sure you've been told that it's blue, but I can tell you that it is red.