[Clint Williams]

[xzins]

Other mainline denominations in the U.S., like United Methodists, Presbyterian Church (USA) and United Churches of Christ are all at some stage of either studying the issue in an "open" manner and leaning pro–gay or already acting out this decision with gay ceremonies and clergy-out of step, it seems, with many who fill their pews.

Wrong about the United Methodist Church. While there is considerable discussion and rebellion, the church rule is the same as always; "Homosexuality is INCOMPATIBLE with Christian teaching."

This was evidenced twice last year, when a pastor admitted to her homosexual lifestyle and was removed from the pulpit, and then that removal was upheld by the Judicial Council.

Second, the Judicial Council ruled twice that a pastor could exclude an unrepentent homosexual from membership.

Finally, the last General Conference saw approx. 70% of the delegates vote AGAINST approving homosexuality. That vote has been getting higher every 4 years, not lower.

So, this author does not know our church.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Well, if you claim that G-d made a "new covenent" two thousand years ago you don't have much to complain about!

Consistency, people! Consistency!

[Unam Sanctam]

For some books on homosexuality and the call to chastity from a Catholic perspective, here are some additional resources:

Same-Sex Attractions: A Parents' Guide - edited by Fr. John Harvey, OSFS & Gerard V. Bradley, St. Augustine's Press, South Bend , IN, 2003, to order call: 1-800-621-2736

The Truth About Homosexuality: The Cry of the Faithful,(Catholic) Rev. John F. Harvey OSFS, Ignatius Press, 1997: To place a credit card order, call Ignatius Press at 1-800-651-1531.

The Homosexual Person: New Thinking in Pastoral Care,(Catholic), Rev. John F. Harvey, OSFS, Ignatius Press, 1987: To place a credit card order, call Ignatius Press at 1-800-651-1531.

The Courage to be Chaste, (Catholic), Benedict Groeschel, CFR: Paulist Press, 1985, to order call:1-800-218-1903

A Spiritual Plan to Redirect One’s Life (Catholic), pamphlet: to order, contact Paulines Books & Media

Pastoral Care and the Homosexual - (Catholic), pamphlet: to order, contact Catholic Information Service, Knights of Columbus, P.O. Box 1971, New Haven, CT 06521

Beyond Gay, David Morrison.

Courage website: http://couragerc.net/

[Alex Murphy]

Gay Theology: Is God "Doing a New Thing"?

That which has been is that which will be,
And that which has been done is that which will be done.
So there is nothing new under the sun.
- Ecclesiastes 1:9

[where HE leads me]

In fact, the Post reports that, "Half of all Americans who regularly attend worship services [including those outside mainline churches] say they would leave their church if their minister blessed gay couples-even if their denomination officially approved those ceremonies."

And I did.

[Porterville]

The next time a gay ask you what you believe about homosexuality... just say you subscribe to the Buddhist philosophy of the Dali Lama:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1619118/posts

"Although he is known for his tolerant, humane views, he is a surprisingly harsh critic of homosexuality. If you are a Buddhist, he says, it is wrong. "Full stop.

No way round it.

'A gay couple came to see me, seeking my support and blessing. I had to explain our teachings. Another lady introduced another woman as her wife - astonishing. It is the same with a husband and wife using certain sexual practices. Using the other two holes is wrong.'

At this point, he looks across at his interpreter - who seems mainly redundant - to check that he has been using the right English words to discuss this delicate matter. The interpreter gives a barely perceptible nod.

'A Western friend asked me what harm could there be between consenting adults having oral sex, if they enjoyed it,' the Dali Lama continues, warming to his theme. "But the purpose of sex is reproduction, according to Buddhism. The other holes don't create life. I don't mind - but I can't condone this way of life.'"

Now these faddists Christian haters love eastern philosophy and believe they have a moral authority over everyone becuase they "understand" Buddhism which you don't. But, the Lama explains it clearly, that our cultures obsession with sex is based on self absorption.