[bornacatholic]

In 1976, Pope Paul VI called out Lefevbre publicly and in correspondence to him. He scolded him at length (see The Wanderer, June 6,2006) and everything Pope Paul said has been proved true. Here are a few samples from the rhetorical whipping rightly administered by Pope Paul

"...Moreover you hold that the suspension that you have occured (Lefevbre ordained priests at Econe after having been specifically told by the Pope not to)applies only to the celebration of sacraments according to the new rite, as it they were something improperly introduced into the Church, which you go so far as to call schismatic, and you think that you evade this sanction when you administer the sacraments according to the formulas of the past and against established norms...

In your case, the old rite is in fact the expression of a warped ecclesiology...

Of course there is room in the Church for a certain pluralism, but in licit matters and in obedience.

As far as concerns Our person, you will make a point of desisting from and retracting the grave accusations or insiunations which you have publicly leveled against Us, against the orthodoxy of Our faith, and Our fidelity to Our charge as the Succesor of Peter...

That was THIRTY years ago. Yet, we all know what happened. He refused to close Econe. He continued to caluminate the Pope. He continued to attack the Mass. He continued to attack the Ecumenical Council. He called the Pope the AntiChrist. Even after being warned not to ordain Bishops, he went right ahead and ordained them anyways.

And some consider him the champion of "tradition."

Fellay appears, if possible, even less stable and reliable than the progenitor of the schism. Fellay calls the normative mass "evil," and he rejects an Ecumenical Council and he thinks Jews as a race are cursed.

This has been going on for THIRTY years.

I used to wonder why the Popes just didn't formally excommunicate the bunch lock, stock, and barrel.

Then, it occured to me. Our Sweet Jesus on Earth, the Pope, acts like Jesus did towards Judas. Jesus loved Judas until the end. He tried to set him right. Even when Judas betrayed Him with a kiss, He responded with love. But, in the end, He let Judas go and hang himself.

The Popes loved Lefevbre. They tried to set him right. Even after he betrayed them they loved him. Even after he called the Pope the AntiChrist, the Pope loved him and tried to bring him back. But, in the end, the Pope let him hang himself.

Even now, after 30 years of unrelenting hatred, lies, opposition, heresies etc etc, the Pope, with love and charity meets with them and tries to bring them back into the fold.

We are Blessed to be alive during the reigns of such loving, briliant, orthodox,Christian,Popes.

As for the sspx? Outside of FR and the schismatic press, NOBODY either knows or cares about them. They are too busy being faithful Christians

[warriorforourlady]

You are right on with the following statement.

"As for the sspx? Outside of FR and the schismatic press, NOBODY either knows or cares about them. They are too busy being faithful Christians".

That is very true most Catholics in any Country or Continent just want to get on with their Spiritual Lives and everything associated with it as well as witrh their temporal lives.

Amen to what you have said -- Brother in Christ. You were on the money with regard to everything that you said in this Post.

[Frank Sheed]

Even now, after 30 years of unrelenting hatred, lies, opposition, heresies etc etc, the Pope, with love and charity meets with them and tries to bring them back into the fold.

We are Blessed to be alive during the reigns of such loving, briliant, orthodox,Christian,Popes.

This seems to be totally true. The Holy Father in his wisdom and as our Shepherd, is still trying to return these Catholics to the flock.

[NYer]

In 1976, Pope Paul VI called out Lefevbre publicly and in correspondence to him. He scolded him at length (see The Wanderer, June 6,2006) and everything Pope Paul said has been proved true. Here are a few samples from the rhetorical whipping rightly administered by Pope Paul.

Bump to #14.

[FourtySeven]

As for the sspx? Outside of FR and the schismatic press, NOBODY either knows or cares about them. They are too busy being faithful Christians

I'm not so sure that's true. On another forum, I met someone who met and "fell in love with" someone off the dating site CatholicSingles.com, who was in the SSPX. This was a constant source of friction between the two, the former being a more "modern" Catholic (for lack of a better term). I've also recently discovered that one of my fellow parishioners first came back to Catholicism (about 2 years ago) because of the actions of a very conservative Catholic, who has since become an SSPX.

Interestingly, both of these men (the SSPXers) were from the Illinois area. There must be some serious liturgical abuses out there. According to the former girl I mentioned (from another forum), the SSPX movement is gaining a lot of popularity in Illinois.

I wouldn't shrug the SSPX off so casually. This is a movement that finds a home in a lot of disgruntled, conservative Catholic hearts. That said, I don't think there will be any reconciliation, other than the SSPX admitting to the error of their ways, especially now since the Tridentine Masses are gaining popularity in many dioceses, the SSPX has little else to stand on, other than their simple, obstinate objection to Vatican II.