Pastor says love, not fear, is the basis of salvation

Another "pastor" perverting the Gospel to make themselves feel better.

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Laurie Crelly is associate pastor at Parkview United Church of Christ in White Bear Lake.

A tangent:

With lesbians, I think there is a physical disorder in many of them that starts early - probably not a genetic off-on switch in the brain, but hormonal process that takes a while to have effect.

This woman has the "look" - not just the hair or the overweight - but the round face, apple cheeks, short nose, strong bones, weight carried in the upper body. I know some straight women who look like this, lesbians who look otherwise, but about half the lesbians I've met have this look.

Lots of us are born with tendencies that lead us to sin - but bad temper, depression, alcoholism, impulsive sexuality - any such flaw is to be overcome, not embraced.

Mrs VS

How about this pastor's presentation for millions and millions.

"God Is Love" (Deus Caritas Est) Encyclical

All one has to do is mention the "United Church of Christ" connection, and it explains just about everything.

What gets me is the likelihood that some people will actually buy this propaganda: Narrow, close-minded Assembles of God churches = BAD; open, loving, multicultural United Church of Christ = GOOD. Of course, the people who buy it do not actually attend any church at all, as if evident from the sorry state of the United Church of Christ (and its uppity counterpart, the Episcopal Church).

I know...I live in the Twin Cities metro and saw this last night while scanning the startrib online...ugh is all i can say and know that there are a ton of others like her out there in this area...pray for them!

"The experience "shook the foundations of my faith," Crelly said. She fell into depression."

These 2 sentences alone, completely isolated from anything related to homosexuality or any other sin, provide ample indicators her thinking was outside fellowship with God through faith in Christ.

If anything shakes the foundations of faith, then the faith one is thinking is not the same as Christ (see Acts 3:22). Depression is frequently an advanced symptom of faulty thinking. When reality doesn't meet our expectations from a scarred soulish thinking, frustration arises. When acted upon, those who return to God tend to respond to outward stimuli, while those out of fellowship tend to react. If the degenerate believer fails to return to God, but continues along a faulty soulish process, frustration after being internalized may lead to depression.

In more prolonged exposure to depression, the degenerate believer will tend to lapse either into a lasciviousness or frantic search for happiness, or might resort to self pity and focus upon themselves rather than returning to God on His terms.

Self as the measure of what is holy will always lead one off in bad tangents. If God is not the measure of the holy, then you have humanism is sacred drag, that's all.

In 1stCorinthians 6, the statement of those who will not inherit the kingdom of God simply states the fact and goes on to help elaborate the significance of the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer.

There seems to be an explicit avoidance by gay/lesbians to address the significance of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the believer, but a redirection towards the issues of love. Many of the redirective efforts towards love fail to discern between a divine love and brotherly love. Those whom He loves, He chastises when they step out of fellowship by postsalvation sin.

Funny thing about love with the unrighteous, ... when subjected to loving discipline, the unrighteous on the receiving end of the chastisement, have their attention first diverted from sin by the discipline. The discipline frequently is painful, not joyful, and the wayward believer doesn't immediately identify that chastisement with love. It's only upon returning to Him ,on His grounds and further corrective reformms in our thinking processes do we recognize the chastisement as love.

On the contrary, for the degenerate believer, who refuses to turn away from sin, but recognizes their misery, a search begins for placebos to counterfeit joy, rather than love.

Without first returning to God by turning away from sin, the degenerate believer will only scar his/her soul when trying to become religious in search for happiness instead of allowing God to further sanctify our thinking in soul, then in our spirit, and then in our heart resulting in a joyful heart, but not necessarily fleshly or worldly happiness.

This woman has the "look" -

I know what you mean, some do. But I have also seen those that do start to look feminine after they repented. :-)

Good posts by everyone.

Now some questions:

What business does an Assemblies of God college have in offering a "cross-cultural-studies" degree? Loaded with left-wing euphemism.

The "look" says alot, as someone has much control in how masculine or feminine they look. I may attract a lot of flames here, but my belief falls in line with Scripture and many traditional denominations in that men alone are qualified for the ministry. Does not the fact that this woman looks so masculine belie the subconscious truth of this Biblical command?

It is an unquestioned axiom of Modernity that fear and love are mutually exclusive. And yet the paradox of the coexistence of these two driving forces in a regenerated human pervades Scripture (see A.W. Tozer's essay "That Incredible Christian".) True, "prefect love casts out all fear," but this refers to the fear of man. If the fear of man had been absent from Ms. Crelly, she would not have fled the possibility of ostracism over something that wasn't sinful in her mind.

I don't believe "gayness" in the sense of have proclivities ever was the cause of anyone's expulsion from a Christian school - after all, Crelly's counselors said they knew. So her relating to the protester David Coleman, who was asked to leave his college, is a whole different issue in that endorsing and embracing a lifestyle of behavior is roundly condemned by Scripture. What does this tell you about an attitude of activism in this woman?

Crelly's inevitable use of the term "intolerance" should have set off sirens in the mind of any alert reader. If "intolerance" itself is an anti-virtue, then what right do men have to be intolerant of anything?

Her belief "that love and sexuality are best expressed in a committed, monogamous relationship" isn't going to fly with the vast majority of the activist homosexual community, whose proposition is that sexual constraints of any kind are the epitome of evil.

Here's a passage from 1 Thess 4:1-8 she'll never preach:

Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification:

that you should abstain from sexual immorality;

that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,.... Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.

Dennis Prager, Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality

Here's a passage from 1 Thess 4:1-8 she'll never preach:

That's because the passage was written by Paul, who is flatly repudiated by homosexuals because of his explicit condemnation of sin while the Gospels appear a bit milder (not that they don't implicitly condemn sin.) It's amazing, but I have yet to speak with or hear a homosexual who thinks the New Testament includes any of the writings of Paul.

The 2 great commandments : Love GOD, Love your neighbor. Are celebacy and homosexuality equal as sexual perversions? Should the state declare lesbians/gays as handicapped individuals? Many years ago a rat cage experiment was performed. House-sized cage, introduce a few male/female rats, give them all the food, straw, water, etc they need. In the early phase, explosive growth in the population as females "nest", males stake out territories; social interaction/grooming important aspects; ie, a healthy society. As the finite cage fills to over capacity the ills of over crowding appear : infanticide, angry fights over nothing, lethargy, and homosexuality : all the ills we see in human-over crowded cities. The answer : malthusean doctrine : when a population overruns its resources, war/disease/famine reduce that population back to sustainable levels. Ruwanda had the highest national birth rate in the 10 years preceding the genocidal war there. The 4th option is "moral prudence"(family planning/homosexuality/celebacy)for intelligent beings. Thus homosexuality is more EFFECT than cause, a sickness as a RESULT of over crowding.

Thus homosexuality is more EFFECT than cause, a sickness as a RESULT of over crowding.

Declaring "truth" based on a mouse experiment is just another leap of liberal faith. It's a myth that we have overrun our resources. The ills you listed have existed throughout history, even when civilization was small. The only difference now is that liberals are excusing and declaring the evil ills to be "good".

but I have yet to speak with or hear a homosexual who thinks the New Testament includes any of the writings of Paul.

They do when they quote 1 Corinthians 13.

What business does an Assemblies of God college have in offering a "cross-cultural-studies" degree? Loaded with left-wing euphemism.

It is a missions-related course of study - i.e., studies of different cultures around the world in preparation for going into those cultures to share the gospel in the most effective way possible... Not exactly what you would expect to find at your average public college.

Why is a whole course of study made out of this? I've always thought the "crash course" was the best teacher - on-the-job training.