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Vatican change of heart over 'barbaric' Crusades
UK Times online ^
| March 20, 2006
| Richard Owen
Posted on 03/19/2006 6:44:46 PM PST by prairiebreeze
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The more I read and learn about Pope Benedict the more I like him. Also, it's interesting to review the time spans of the crusades, given at the end of the article. Even though the dates apparently aren't universally agree upon.
To: onyx; Mo1; Iowa Granny
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posted on
03/19/2006 6:46:01 PM PST
by
prairiebreeze
(Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
To: prairiebreeze
No apologies for the Crusades, at least to the Islamics. They were justifiable and even noble wars of defense against Muslim aggression and conquest.
The Jewish community is owed a deep and heartfelt apology for the behavior of some of the Crusaders, but that is a whole different story.
-ccm
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posted on
03/19/2006 6:49:00 PM PST
by
ccmay
(Too much Law; not enough Order)
To: prairiebreeze
The Crusades are seen by many Muslims as acts of violence that have underpinned Western aggression towards the Arab world ever since.
And they see Mohammed the Pedophile as a great man. Who cares what the Muslims believe? They're nuts.
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posted on
03/19/2006 6:49:39 PM PST
by
peyton randolph
(As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
To: prairiebreeze
Agree 100%. So I wonder when there will be burning of Italian flags in muslim countries?
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posted on
03/19/2006 6:50:43 PM PST
by
stm
(You can fix a lot of thing s, but you can't fix stupid)
To: prairiebreeze
The Crusades are seen by many Muslims as acts of violenceAnd we all know how Muslims cannot stand acts of violence.
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posted on
03/19/2006 6:51:29 PM PST
by
Irish Rose
(Will work for chocolate.)
To: prairiebreeze
It looks like the Catholic church is going after the Muslims. Someone has to.
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posted on
03/19/2006 6:51:41 PM PST
by
tbird5
To: prairiebreeze
Interesting read. Thanks for the ping.
To: prairiebreeze
I knew there was a good reason I liked this guy. (Papa Razzi)
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posted on
03/19/2006 6:54:47 PM PST
by
ConorMacNessa
(HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
To: prairiebreeze
Good. PJPII meant well, but I think he was mistaken in this policy. Pope Benedict was said from the start to be more of a realist on some of these silly ecumenical issues and especially on Islam.
And, by the way, the Inquisition is not as bad as it is often painted, either. In the period when tens of thousands of witches were being burned in northern Europe, the Italian Inquisition basically said that these women were not witches, just crazy. Even the Spanish Inquisition, which was pretty much under the control of the Holy Roman Emperor and/or the King of Spain, was not as bad as it's usually painted. Or, at least, no worse than the justice you got in most of the rest of Europe at that time. Anyone who has visited the dungeons of some the the European castles and chateaux will recognize that they were not pleasant places.
A Google search will turn up some of the latest historical work on the Inquisition. John Tedeschi's work is especially worth looking at.
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posted on
03/19/2006 6:56:26 PM PST
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: prairiebreeze
Hopeless to compare barbarities. . .but we do know the Christians moved foward. . .let us say. . .to a more enlightened world view; whereas the core of Islam. . .and it's adherents. . .have not.
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posted on
03/19/2006 6:56:59 PM PST
by
cricket
To: prairiebreeze
About time somebody grew a pair about the Crusades, if you'll pardon my language. I just got done reading The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades, and it's excellent, a must-read.
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posted on
03/19/2006 6:58:08 PM PST
by
Dan Middleton
(Radio...Free...Mars)
To: prairiebreeze
It would be odd and counterproductive if the Catholic Church chose to refight the merits of the crusades. It simply does not translate well into the modern age, and it's irrelevant.
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posted on
03/19/2006 6:59:50 PM PST
by
Torie
To: prairiebreeze
The Christians moved along with time, the Muslims never did.
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posted on
03/19/2006 7:01:38 PM PST
by
mtbopfuyn
(Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
To: cricket
Agree. . .we know all too well, how a 'asking for any forgiveness'. . .ie if only framed by a request for a 'pardon' is seen as weakness and loathed by any Muslim, worth his stone-aged, Islamic salt.
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posted on
03/19/2006 7:02:34 PM PST
by
cricket
To: prairiebreeze
There were justifiable reasons for The Crusades.
As detailed in this book:
"Jihad In The West" by Paul Fregosi
Not an easy read, but makes it clear what is down the road for
those who don't fight back and win.
(and not saying The Crusades were executed without some awful mistakes...
just that they were justified after a tsunami of an invasion by
a horde living out an Arabian Bushido code)
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posted on
03/19/2006 7:02:57 PM PST
by
VOA
To: tbird5
It's about freaking time the Church declare the Crusades to have been the defensive counterattacks against rampaging Islam that they were.
Who cares what the muzzies think? Deus Vult!
To: Iowa Granny
Why is it that journalists and historians conveniently forget the 400 years prior to the crusades? The muslims controlled the mediteranean sea and raided the coast of southern europe for centuries. Just where did that dark pigment find itself into the Spanish and Italian gene pool? By inter-racial dating. I don't think so. Serious scholars have found a strong economic and strategic military motive for these invasions which aimed at reclaiming European control over mediteranean shipping lanes.
To: Torie
Not sure the intent is to "refight the merits".
I'd be satisfied to just have the record set straight.
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posted on
03/19/2006 7:04:29 PM PST
by
prairiebreeze
(Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
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