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To: P-Marlowe; jo kus; jude24

Is that a 6 or 12 pounder?

But, you are correct. Once the canon is identified as the word of the apostles, then the church is subservient to it rather than vice versa.

Otherwise, you have no written "constitution" of the church, and abuses such as existed with indulgences can flourish.

We are subject to the authority of Jesus and the apostles. That is clear to me and simple to me.


110 posted on 02/06/2006 8:16:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; jude24
Once the canon is identified as the word of the apostles, then the church is subservient to it rather than vice versa.

You are absolutely correct. The Bible has primacy of position, as it ALONE is inerrant and the Church is its servant.

Otherwise, you have no written "constitution" of the church, and abuses such as existed with indulgences can flourish.

Exactly. by the way, xzins, in a different post, you said that the Catholic Church is not exactly the same as that established by Christ (paraphrasing). I would say that this might be similar to comparing a mustard seed to a mustard tree...

Also, I point out that the Vatican 2 Fathers do not say that the Roman Catholic Church "IS" the Church of Christ...

“This Church, set up and organized in this world as a society, SUBSISTS (rather than IS) in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the bishops in communion with him, although outside its structure many elements of sanctification and truth are to be found which, as proper gifts to the Church of Christ, impel toward catholic unity (LG 8)”

This makes the idea of partial communion and the use of “subsists in” more obvious. The FULLNESS of the faith as given by Christ exists (subsists) only within the Roman Catholic Church, but partially exists outside the visible Roman Catholic Church. This has been the teachings of the Church all the way back to even Justin the Martyr

Sorry if I changed the subject regarding the Canon - but just clarifying to some others who believe that one must be a Roman Catholic to be "in" the Church. (including some Catholics)

Regards

123 posted on 02/06/2006 9:08:44 AM PST by jo kus
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