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Vatican may have found late pope's 'miracle'
CNN ^ | January 30, 2006 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 01/30/2006 7:43:33 AM PST by NYer

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) -- The Vatican may have found the "miracle" they need to put the late Pope John Paul II one step closer to sainthood -- the medically inexplicable healing of a French nun with the same Parkinson's disease that afflicted him.

Monsignor Slawomir Oder, the Catholic Church official in charge of promoting the cause to declare the late pope a saint of the Church, told Reuters on Monday that an investigation into the healing had cleared an initial probe by doctors.

Oder said the "relatively young" nun, whom he said he could not identify for now, was inexplicably cured of Parkinson's after praying to John Paul after his death last April 2.

"I was moved," Oder said in a telephone interview. "To think that this was the same illness that destroyed the Holy Father and it also kept this poor nun from carrying out her work."

John Paul suffered from Parkinson's Disease during the last decade of his life. His body trembled violently and he could not pronounce his words or control his facial muscles.

"To me, this is another sign of God's creativity," he said, adding that the nun worked with children.

He said Church investigators would now start a more formal and detailed probe of the suspected miracle cure.

The process that could lead to sainthood for John Paul began in May when Rome archdiocese published an edict asking Catholics to come forward with evidence "in favor or against" John Paul's reputation of holiness.

One proven miracle is required after John Paul's death for the cause to lead to beatification.

It must be the result of prayers asking the dead pope to intercede with God. Miracles are usually a physical healing that doctors are at a loss to explain.

Another miracle would be necessary between beatification and eventual sainthood.

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To: Almondjoy

May I invite you to kiss off?


121 posted on 01/30/2006 3:22:42 PM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: Almondjoy
In prayer.. but again it seems you can't stay on topic.

I have stayed on topic. You talking to me is no different than me talking to St. Augstine or the Apostles talking with Jesus. What makes it "prayer" is not the recipient of the conversation but rather the means by which someone is communicating - from this world into heaven.

How do you define prayer?
122 posted on 01/30/2006 3:24:11 PM PST by mike182d ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")
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To: Almondjoy
You aren't even making sense anymore. So basically you are saying that you have to be Catholic in order to be Christian?

You've made that inference from the argument given. Unless you can provide a better basis for your Christian beliefs, I'm afraid you have no other resolve than to deduce this conclusion.

Sounds like you are the one that is stuck up.

Saying "I am the sole authority on what is true about the Bible and Jesus Christ" is not?
123 posted on 01/30/2006 3:26:13 PM PST by mike182d ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")
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To: trebb
You wrote: "Men may be deserving of wholesale love and respect, but not of reverence; reverence belongs to God."

I think I understand your concern, and it's a good one: you want to make sure that no creature is given the supreme adoration which belongs to God alone. In this you are right.

However, "reverence" doesn't mean only the supreme honor and veneration due to God. For example:

Joshua 4:14 That day the LORD exalted Joshua in the sight of all Israel; and they revered him all the days of his life, just as they had revered Moses.

The Bible also speaks of revering God's throne, His sanctuary, and His city Jerusalem. So clearly, "to revere" can mean to honor people or even places and things associated with God.

This is an inevitable aspect of our human nature. Love for a lovable person overflows to things, places, and other people associated with that person. A mother keeps forever a little valentine card made for her by her child who died young. An American serviceman in Iraq kisses a snapshot of his wife in the U.S. There is nothing wrong with this; in fact, it would be wrong, and a kind of spiritual violence, to ridicule it or try to suppress it.

Like all things human, it can take wrong turns or get misdirected or excessive. Returning to matters of faith, I suppose that there would be some people who would want to canonize Elvis Presley or Princess Di. That's why the Church sets up a formal procedure for canonization. The idea is to keep things based on oobjective virtue rather than mere popularity; and to seek God's guidance, which is why there is the requirement of miracles which can be investigated --- and believe me, they are investigated strictly.

As an example, since 1858 there have been thousands, even tens of thousands of reported healing miracles at the shrine of Lourdes, France. The number of verified miracles? ---71.

That doesn't mean than none of those other reported healings were miracles. It just means they were not investigates; or thy were investigsted and their supernatural provenance was found to be doubtful.

124 posted on 01/30/2006 3:30:43 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (As always, striving for accuracy.)
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To: mike182d

I guess your delusions have taken over this discussion.


125 posted on 01/30/2006 3:42:27 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: mike182d

I never said that mikey boy. You "inferred" that.

You might want to go back to school and try reading.

I said "opinion" about five times.


126 posted on 01/30/2006 3:43:53 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy

Christ instituted the Holy Catholic Church. He gave the keys to Peter and through the inspiration and protection of the Holy Spirit protects her from error. If a panel of judges decides that a miracle has occured it is declared worthy of belief. You can choose skepticism or faith. As for determing who is a Saint, God has already chosen that person. They have entered heaven and that fact has been revealed. The Church doesn't decide who is a Saint. God does.


127 posted on 01/30/2006 3:45:23 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: topcat54
I'm sure the ex-pope is very busy these days hearing all those prayers being directed his way. I mean, does he have to take them one at a time?

*Prayers of those with FAITH are answered. While Johannes Paulus Magnus is no longer with us on earth, he remains part of the Body of Christ - the Church Triumphant - and where he lives there is no "time." Eternity yes. But not time

128 posted on 01/30/2006 4:39:40 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: pepperhead
Matt 16:18,19. Jesus established His church as His mouthpiece. It was His idea.

Speak with Him about your thoughts He was wrong

129 posted on 01/30/2006 4:41:34 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: topcat54
Faith moves mountain. The First Pope Peter's shadow falling upon the sick caused miraculous healings.

Work on your Faith

130 posted on 01/30/2006 4:44:08 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Pyro7480

I wish Rome would look into the stigamta-Rose Marie Ferron-


132 posted on 01/30/2006 4:48:57 PM PST by Rosary (Pray the rosary daily,wear the Brown scapular)
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To: Dewy
How is one saved? Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. V.9 Not of works, What kind of works would that be??

Welcome to Free Republic!

"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." - Ephesians 2:10

"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." - 2 Corinthians 11:15

"Who will render to every man according to his deeds." - Romans 2:6

"[This is] a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men." - Titus 3:8

"And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works..." - Hebrews 10:24

GOOD WORKS

133 posted on 01/30/2006 4:54:41 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: bornacatholic

Thanks for trying but where did Jesus ever mention "saints"?


134 posted on 01/30/2006 5:58:33 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat

Wow maybe I was wrong. Maybe you are on the level with mormons.


135 posted on 01/30/2006 7:16:13 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: bornacatholic

Typical. When you don't like what you hear you just try and shut everyone up.


136 posted on 01/30/2006 7:16:49 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy

Well, Mr. Jones, glad I am not in your company, we can leave it at that.


138 posted on 01/30/2006 7:19:38 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: Almondjoy

But that's the difference.... Catholics do not understand God >>>

and you do? LOL, this blanket attack on Catholics is proof that you are not Christian at all. And why are you "looking" for a thread with the word "pope" in the title coming here to flame? Are you lonely?


139 posted on 01/30/2006 7:25:00 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Petronski; Almondjoy
Catholics do not understand God.

Really? Just you and those who worship with you understand God, and then only for the last 450 or so years? And what of other Protestant denominations? Your group is in agreement with all of them? With all of them as to what is holy and how it is decided and who decides it? What if you disagree with one of them? Even the Anglicans and Episcopals who also have Saints, holy people as designated by the leadership in the church, saints worthy of prayer and intercession? I don't think you've thought it through. Or your bigotry is aimed only at Catholics.

140 posted on 01/30/2006 7:32:28 PM PST by fortunecookie
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