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The purpose-driven pastor (Rick Warren calls Christian fundamentalists an enemy)
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Jan. 08, 2006 | Paul Nussbaum

Posted on 01/10/2006 10:06:56 AM PST by Terriergal

The purpose-driven pastor

By Paul Nussbaum

Inquirer Staff Writer

This week, it was the Rose Bowl players' breakfast. This month, it will be the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Then the President's prayer breakfast in Washington, followed by an entertainment industry conference in Los Angeles.

Rick Warren, the Southern Baptist preacher's son from tiny Redwood Valley, Calif., is much in demand these days.

The founding pastor of the Saddleback mega-church south of Los Angeles and the author of the best-selling The Purpose Driven Life, Warren is perhaps the most influential evangelical Christian in America.

With his book - the best-selling hardback nonfiction book in the nation - and Purpose-Driven Life videos and 40-day Bible study plans, Warren has created an unparalleled international network of millions of individuals and 400,000 churches, spanning faiths and denominations.

Now he wants to use his growing influence - and wealth - for an ambitious global attack on poverty, AIDS, illiteracy and disease.

"The New Testament says the church is the body of Christ, but for the last 100 years, the hands and feet have been amputated, and the church has just been a mouth. And mostly, it's been known for what it's against," Warren said during a break between services at his sprawling Orange County church campus.

"I'm so tired of Christians being known for what they're against."

Fresh from preaching to 38,000 congregants during Christmas week services, Warren was looking to the future by invoking the past.

"One of my goals is to take evangelicals back a century, to the 19th century," said Warren, 51, shifting painfully in his chair because of a back sprain suffered during an all-terrain-vehicle romp with his 20-year-old son, Matthew. "That was a time of muscular Christianity that cared about every aspect of life."

Not just personal salvation, but social action. Abolishing slavery. Ending child labor. Winning the right for women to vote.

It's time for modern evangelicals to trade words for deeds and get similarly involved, Warren contends.

At the end of his second sermon last Sunday, he reminded his largely affluent Orange County audience: "Life is not about having more and getting more. It's about serving God and serving others."

That, simply put, is his message. Give your life to God, help others, spread the word. It is the same message that Christians have been preaching for 2,000 years. Warren has updated the language, added catchphrases and five-step guides, but he readily admits "there is not a new idea in that book."

The Purpose Driven Life has sold more than 24 million English-language copies since 2002, with millions more in other languages. It has been popular with Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, with pastors and priests using it as a Bible-study handbook.

The book figured prominently in a hostage drama in Georgia last March. Ashley Smith, held by alleged Atlanta courthouse killer Brian Nichols, said he released her after she gave him methamphetamine and read to him from the book.

Warren "is able to cast the Christian story so people can hear it in fresh ways," said Donald E. Miller, director of the Center for Religion and Civic Culture at the University of Southern California. He is "a very important figure in evangelical Christianity," part of a "trend we'll see more of," Miller said, citing Warren's independence, social activism, informality and ability to reach across racial and national lines.

"The Gen X-ers are sick and tired of flash and hype and marketing," Miller said. "The soft sell of a Rick Warren is far more attractive to them than a highly stylized TV presentation of the Christian message."

Among evangelicals, Warren is more influential than better-known and more-divisive figures such as religious broadcasters Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell or radio psychologist James Dobson, and is often seen as the heir to the Rev. Billy Graham as "America's pastor."

Scott L. Thumma, a professor of the sociology of religion at Hartford Seminary and the author of a forthcoming book on mega-churches, said polls of church leaders often put Warren in first or second place among most-influential evangelical leaders.

"And one of the interesting things is that he crosses boundaries... . He's not just respected by the evangelical world but by many outside that world," Thumma said.

In North Philadelphia, the Rev. Herbert Lusk, the former Philadelphia Eagles running back who is pastor of the Greater Exodus Baptist Church and a prominent supporter of President Bush, brought Warren to town in November to raise money for aid to Africa. Lusk also tutored many of the Eagles' players and coaches in the Purpose-Driven Life program last year.

Lusk said Warren "took the principles that we preach about every Sunday and packaged them in a way that are palatable for Christians and non-Christians."

"The guy is a preacher's preacher... . He's the leading evangelical in the world, unquestionably," Lusk said.

Broadly defined, evangelicals are Christians who have had a personal or "born-again" religious conversion, believe the Bible is the word of God, and believe in spreading their faith. (The term comes from Greek; to "evangelize" means to preach the gospel.) The term is typically applied to Protestants.

Millions of Americans fit the definition, although estimates vary on exactly how many. Forty-two percent of Americans described themselves as evangelical Christians in a Gallup poll in April, while 22 percent said they met all three measures in a Gallup survey in May. The National Association of Evangelicals says about 25 percent of adult Americans are evangelicals.

Evangelicals are often equated with fundamentalists or the religious right, which annoys Warren. Although he's politically conservative - opposing abortion and gay marriage and supporting the death penalty - he pushes a much broader agenda and disdains both politics and fundamentalism.

Warren is a friend of President Bush and a repeat visitor to the White House. But he also met for several hours at Saddleback last month with Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, to discuss issues such as poverty and the environment.

"I'm worried that evangelicals be identified too much with one party or the other. When that happens, you lose your prophetic role of speaking truth to power," Warren said. "And you have to defend stupid things that leaders do."

"Politics is always downstream from culture. I place less confidence in it than a lot of folks. I don't think that's the answer... . Politics is not the right tool to change the culture."

With his goatee and penchant for Hawaiian shirts and colloquial language, Warren embodies a laid-back approach to worship that resonates with Americans who have little allegiance to formal denominations or rituals.

His 120-acre hilltop campus, with palm trees, waterfall and meandering brook, is a kind of religious theme park, where worshipers meet in different buildings to suit their musical preferences, while watching simultaneous video feeds of Warren preaching at the main worship center.

Warren's father and grandfather and great-grandfather were all preachers. He followed their path by starting Saddleback in 1980 with his wife, Kay, and a congregation of seven. His ministry prospered in booming Orange County, as Warren went door-to-door, asking residents what they'd like in a church. For 15 years, he and his growing flock were nomads, meeting in schools, homes and other buildings. Construction started on the current campus in 1995, and Warren now has 80,000 names on Saddleback's rolls. Saddleback is a a Southern Baptist church, but it doesn't advertise the fact.

As the money has rolled in from his book, Warren said he has given most of the millions to the church and the three social-service foundations he has established. He stopped taking his $110,000 annual salary and repaid the church for his 25 years of salary since its founding. He and his wife became "reverse tithers," he said, keeping 10 percent of their income and giving away the rest, including $13 million in 2004.

This month, he is leading a trip to Rwanda, to train pastors and distribute medicine and money to battle AIDS and other diseases. It's part of what he calls his global PEACE plan (Plant a church, Equip leaders, Assist the poor, Care for the sick, Educate the next generation).

Last month, he launched the first major evangelical effort to battle AIDS, convening a three-day conference at Saddleback to mobilize American Christians to help AIDS victims and raise money to fight the disease. Part of the battle for Warren is overcoming resistance from evangelicals who view AIDS as strictly a gay disease or even as divine retribution for immoral behavior.

Warren said he sees religious institutions as more powerful forces than governments for solving the world's problems.

"I would trust any imam or priest or rabbi to know what is going on in a community before I would any government agency."

But, powerful as churches can be in working for the powerless, they can't succeed without governments and nongovernmental organizations, Warren said.

Warren predicts that fundamentalism, of all varieties, will be "one of the big enemies of the 21st century."

"Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism - they're all motivated by fear. Fear of each other."

ONLINE EXTRA

To read the rest of the series on the evangelical movement by Paul Nussbaum, visit http://go.philly.com/religion


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostasy; evangelicals; heresy; purposedriven; rickwarren
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Methinks "pastor" Warren has departed "the narrow way" in his efforts to attract many lost folks to his version of "church".

Yep, yep, yep. Ol' Rick has mesmerized a lot of folks and the "fruit" of his seminars is destroying churches everywhere.

These QUOTES should give every Christian pause.

21 posted on 01/10/2006 11:33:03 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: RnMomof7
Evangelicals are often equated with fundamentalists or the religious right, which annoys Warren. Although he's politically conservative - opposing abortion and gay marriage and supporting the death penalty - he pushes a much broader agenda and disdains both politics and fundamentalism.

I think this wasn't explained directly. The probable explantion is early in the article when he says he prefers 19th century Christianity to 20th century Christianity because 20th was into talking and not acting.

Maybe that's what's meant.

22 posted on 01/10/2006 11:33:31 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Terriergal

I'm not to excited about Warren either, but I think what Warren is trying to get at when he calls fundamentalists an enemy of the 21st century is that he is referring to the hillbilly type mentality of Christians that exist out there in large numbers. People who go to church because that's the thing to do, people who believe certain things because that's what've they've been taught to believe without ever questioning whether it is the gospel truth or not. People who really don't think though things in life, they just live by there emotions and move with the crowd.


23 posted on 01/10/2006 11:42:19 AM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: Terriergal
I attended Communion at the National Cathedral last Easter and the sermon was all about how much we (as wealthy, wasteful, and gluttonous Americans) owe the rest of the world, how we should take care of the environment, feed the poor in Africa, "save the whales," etc.

I looked around at the immense structure of the National Cathedral, the opulence, the pretentious (IMO) robes of the pastor, and marveled at the hypocrisy.

SOCIAL GOSPEL vs. Christ’s Commission to the disciples:
Christ did indeed advocate treating others with respect, kindness, and encouragement (emotional and physical). But, His priority was to spread the good news that you can be saved permanently from the troubles in this life by accepting The Messiah as your Savior.

1. The poor will be with us always. Implies just that – we can’t solve the world’s problems.

“While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table. When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked. "This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor."

Aware of this, Jesus said to them, "Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.
When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. I tell you the truth, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her." Math. 26.6-10

2. Emphasis – “Preach the gospel” (not solve world hunger, AIDS crisis, etc.)

“Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.”
Mark 16.14-15

3. Peter and John didn’t give this man money (or food), but the gift of eternal life. Yes, they healed him, but that was secondary to the most important event – the man believed “in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth” and although he eventually died, he is in heaven today.

1 “Now Peter and John were going up to the temple at the hour of prayer, the ninth hour (three o'clock in the afternoon),
2 [When] a certain man crippled from his birth was being carried along, who was laid each day at that gate of the temple [which is] called Beautiful, so that he might beg for charitable gifts from those who entered the temple.
3 So when he saw Peter and John about to go into the temple, he asked them to give him a gift.
4 And Peter directed his gaze intently at him, and so did John, and said, Look at us!
5 And [the man] paid attention to them, expecting that he was going to get something from them.
6 But Peter said, Silver and gold (money) I do not have; but what I do have, that I give to you: in [the [a]use of] the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk!
7 Then he took hold of the man's right hand with a firm grip and raised him up. And at once his feet and ankle bones became strong and steady,
8 And leaping forth he stood and [b]began to walk, and he went into the temple with them, walking and leaping and praising God.
9 And all the people saw him walking about and praising God,
10 And they recognized him as the man who usually sat [begging] for alms at the Beautiful Gate of the temple; and they were filled with wonder and amazement (bewilderment, consternation) over what had occurred to him.
11 Now while he [still] firmly clung to Peter and John, all the people in utmost amazement ran together and crowded around them in the covered porch (walk) called Solomon's.
12 And Peter, seeing it, answered the people, You men of Israel, why are you so surprised and wondering at this? Why do you keep staring at us, as though by our [own individual] power or [active] piety we had made this man [able] to walk?
13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified His Servant and [c]Son Jesus [doing Him this honor], Whom you indeed delivered up and denied and rejected and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had determined to let Him go.(A)
14 But you denied and rejected and disowned the Pure and Holy, the Just and Blameless One, and demanded [the pardon of] a murderer to be granted to you.
15 But you killed the very Source (the Author) of life, Whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.
16 And His name, through and by faith in His name, has made this man whom you see and recognize well and strong. [Yes] the faith which is through and by Him [Jesus] has given the man this perfect soundness [of body] before all of you.
17 And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance [not aware of what you were doing], as did your rulers also.
18 Thus has God fulfilled what He foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ (the Messiah) should undergo ill treatment and be afflicted and suffer.
19 So repent (change your mind and purpose); turn around and return [to God], that your sins may be erased (blotted out, wiped clean),” Acts 3.1-19 (Amplified Bible)
24 posted on 01/10/2006 11:42:41 AM PST by pajama pundit (TM)
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis; Manfred the Wonder Dawg

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with M-the-WD or being sarcastic. I wasn't impressed by those quotes. Those quotes do give me pause.


25 posted on 01/10/2006 11:44:47 AM PST by HarleyD ("No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44)
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To: HarleyD

Oh dear. I didn't mean to leave any doubt. I am totally agreeing. The quotes trouble me deeply. Warren's philosphy of self is poisoning my own church right now. So far our Pastor is standing strong but he and the rest of we "resisters" are in a real battle.


26 posted on 01/10/2006 11:48:29 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Terriergal

Here another anti-fundie thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1555483/posts


from Jimmy Carter


27 posted on 01/10/2006 11:50:49 AM PST by wallcrawlr (Pray for the troops [all the troops here and abroad]: Success....and nothing less!!)
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To: xzins

The quote you used was not mine??

I was "in charge" of his church growth program at a former church, I found it ungodly and carnal .

It relies on the ways of man not God to build the church.

That is simply my observation.


28 posted on 01/10/2006 11:53:33 AM PST by RnMomof7 ("Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: RnMomof7

Correct. It was not your quote. It was from the article.

I'm pretty much in favor of any moral program that gets the gospel out to others or gets others in to hear the gospel.


29 posted on 01/10/2006 11:57:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: All
"The Gen X-ers are sick and tired of flash and hype and marketing," Miller said. "The soft sell of a Rick Warren is far more attractive to them than a highly stylized TV presentation of the Christian message."

This "soft sell of a Rick Warren" is just another form of the same "flash and hype and marketing" that the article claims the Gen X-ers are sick and tired of. I don't care whether it's Rick, Saddleback, or his publisher that's pushing these sorts of "soft sell" press releases, it's just more flash and hype and marketing.

30 posted on 01/10/2006 11:57:42 AM PST by Alex Murphy (Proverbs 12:10)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I think we have apples and oranges here.

I think we have Rick Warren getting bold enough to expose his true hatred of traditional Christianity.

31 posted on 01/10/2006 12:01:18 PM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: Cecily

Yeah I heard about "i just wanted more land" Jabez author getting tired of the people who didn't share his visions of grandeur.


32 posted on 01/10/2006 12:02:28 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: RnMomof7
It relies on the ways of man not God to build the church.

EXACTLY !!!! It's all Rick and his seeker sensitive gimmicks.....no Holy Spirit.

It saddens me to see how many people have fallen in line behind him.

There are so many things he has said that should send up red flags, but it seems he has dazzled many away from discernment.

33 posted on 01/10/2006 12:03:00 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis (o Holy Spirit role for Rick)
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To: wallcrawlr
IS anyone even reading the article?

Warren said he sees religious institutions as more powerful forces than governments for solving the world's problems.

Ok...

"I would trust any imam or priest or rabbi to know what is going on in a community before I would any government agency."

OK...How about Bin Laden?

But, powerful as churches can be in working for the powerless, they can't succeed without governments and nongovernmental organizations, Warren said.

He just disavowed the entire New Testament. Which is it? He's talking out of both sides of his mouth. First churches are more powerful than Government, then they aren't.

He's toeing the Jim Wallis line, can't you see that?

34 posted on 01/10/2006 12:04:54 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis

Wow! Saving that one to archives for sure.

Such a stunning mis-use of scripture.


35 posted on 01/10/2006 12:05:39 PM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: Terriergal

Rick Warren may be headed down the same road in Rwanda, but I don't know enough about his program there to say. His Global P.E.A.C.E. plan sounds like it runs along the same lines as Wilkinson's big visions for "saving" the world. I hate to tell these guys, but the world already has a Savior, and His name isn't Rick or Bruce or Bono.


36 posted on 01/10/2006 12:08:28 PM PST by Cecily
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Saving that one to archives for sure.

It's a keeper for sure. I always have it handy along with a whole bunch of other revealing truths about Warren.

I've been in this war for a long while now. Some members of our church are working night and day to make us Purpose Driven and thankfully they have not succeeded. However they have not given up and it has ripped at the very core of relationships in the congregation. This apostasy is very destructive.

37 posted on 01/10/2006 12:12:40 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: ClearCase_guy
That's why you should do some more research before supporting this Sojourners/Jim Wallis mentality clothed in pseudo-Christian garb.

He already defined it he said "of all varieties" btw

Here he rejects the five fundamentals of the faith:

He also told everyone that departing from apostate churches which embrace homosexuality as something other than what the Bible says about it is a 'silly mistake.'

http://www.biblicalrecorder.org/content/news/2005/7_28_2005/ne280705warren.shtml "Warren: Global Baptists 'are all in this together'
By Trennis Henderson
Kentucky Western Recorder

BIRMINGHAM, England - Affirming that Baptists from around the world can "have unity without uniformity," Rick Warren told reporters at the Baptist World Alliance's (BWA) centenary congress that the withdrawal of Southern Baptists from BWA was a "silly" mistake. "
38 posted on 01/10/2006 12:14:57 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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Yikes !!!! It was an error that part of my sentence went into the tagline on post #28. Sorry.................


39 posted on 01/10/2006 12:15:00 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: My2Cents

The money is irrelevant to me. It's his corrupt teaching which he is passing on that is my concern.


40 posted on 01/10/2006 12:15:51 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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