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To: kosta50
God feels? Is He subject to pleasure? Is He subject to passions? Is He subject to pride and desires? Does God need, is He deficient, unsatisfied?

I think Kolkotronis was trying to tell you that your idea of a God who is just "like us" except bigger and stronger and immortal, and subject to passions and pleasures just as we are, is not a Christian God, but a Hellenistic pagan god.

Matthew 3:17 - "And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'" God needs for nothing, he is not deficient.

I do not at all think that God is "just like us", only super-sized. God is without sin, we are not, and neither were the pagan Gods. Gods ways are not our ways. I am saying that there are countless examples in the Bible where God shows expressions of love, mercy, wrath, dissatisfaction, anger, pleasure, etc. This does not make God a human-like figure in the way that you mean. How do you interpret away all of these verses?

91 posted on 01/02/2006 3:45:10 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
How do you interpret away all of these verses?

Now you are asking good questions. My simple synopsis is that unless you can find love and mercy, you are not on target. Jesus redefines OT verses (Mat 5:38-39). Why? Because the Jews, the people to whom God has revealed Himself, have not interpreted His covenant correctly (Heb 8:7). One does not defeat evil with evil. Instead, He teaches that which goes against our fabric of justice and guts -- to pray for our enemies, for God has inscribed the knowledge of Himself in their hearts as well -- so that they may see the light of God and be saved.

God's love is the same, but those who hate God experience it as wrath. Those who love God experience His love as soothing and lfe-giving; those who hate Him as fires and torture. God is Life, for we exist only because of Him, but those who reject Him surely die. God gives us blessings and opportunities to become Christ-like but if we refuse, which we are free to do, we shall condemn ourselves. Love does not impose itself. God will not "force" us to love Him. God is not the boogie man who wants to tear us to pieces, but a Loving Father Who wants to save us all.

More importantly, the only way we can come to God is through love. The greater our love for God and for humanity, the more Christ-like we become! But very few really love God. Many more fear Him because they know that we are ungrateful to Him all the time. They believe because they figure if they can't beat Him they better join him!Fear is not love. Only those who don't love God (even if they claim they do) fear God. Those who love Him have no fear -- they simply submit to "Thy will be done" knowing that whatever happens will be merciful and just.

God is your friend and Christ taught us that we need to love God with all our hearts and minds and soul, and our neighbors as ourselves (Mat 22:37). Those are his commandments and that is all you need to live by.

101 posted on 01/02/2006 4:14:48 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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