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Seemingly, our Protestant friends over here suppose that they already know God's mind that they already believe they are Christ-like. I would equate that will fool-hardy and misplaced arrogance.

That's pretty mean, Cronos. Does it really seem to you that our beliefs are rooted in arrogance? According to all of "our" collective posts, do you really think we place faith in ourselves, or do we place it in God and the Bible? For the most part, where do our quotes and sayings come from?

It is true that we do not place our faith in the current men (or any previous men) occupying the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church. It's fine if you disagree, and I enjoy both learning and debating, but you are attacking our motives. Is that a Catholic thing? If so, then I am very disappointed.

Does it really seem to you that our beliefs are rooted in arrogance?

Well, honestly, to some extent it does. Why? Because when I see this group as saying that there are people who are damned with no choice in the matter, it does make people smug and yes, arrogant.

Are your beliefs "rooted" in arrogance? Perhaps, though I think it's more in misjudgement. It's almost like the CAthar heresy.

According to all of "our" collective posts, do you really think we place faith in ourselves, or do we place it in God and the Bible? For

By the tone of most of the Protestant posts, I'm truly sorry to say, but it does seem that the general protestant theme is to place faith in yourselves. To elaborate, I'll take your next point: It is true that we do not place our faith in the current men (or any previous men) occupying the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church.

Do we place our faith in the current / previous men? No. Do we learn from their mistakes? Yes.

The debates that you have, the spiritual struggles, all we say is to read the Church Fathers -- you will come to your own conclusion, hopefully through God, but if you don't have the strength, you can see the questions that have risen through the ages.

Is it arrogant to think that the questions, the doubts, the clarity you have, haven't been thought of in 2000 years by men of God made wiser by the Holy Spirit than you or me? Yes. And note that the Church Fathers DID doubt, did question.