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To: P-Marlowe; kosta50; HarleyD
It appears to me that you do not believe that God is either omnipotent or omniscient.

On the contraray Marlowe, we believe that God is BOTH omnipotent and omniscient. We do not believe that God made us mere mindless creatures pre-choosing that some were to go to hell and others to heaven with no choice and (no fault of their own). We believe God genuinely loves us especially when we choose Him of our own volition -- that's why he made us above the base animals who have no will. Can God tomorrow decide to force all of His creation to follow His will with no question? YES, he can.

however, we believe that a loving, caring, Christian God WANTS us to choose Him and His grace. We are saved by grace alone, by choosing Him.
881 posted on 01/09/2006 11:42:31 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Cronos; P-Marlowe; HarleyD; Forest Keeper
We are saved by grace alone, by choosing Him.

So which is it? Are we saved by grace alone, or by our correct choice?

"That no flesh should glory in his presence.

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord." -- 1 Corinthians 1:29-31.

We cannot redeem ourselves; we cannot sanctify ourselves; we cannot make ourselves wise and we cannot make ourselves righteous.

All gifts from God.

894 posted on 01/10/2006 12:48:19 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (an ambassador in bonds)
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To: Cronos; P-Marlowe; HarleyD; jo kus; annalex; Kolokotronis
On the contraray Marlowe, we [Roman Catholic and Orthodox] believe that God is BOTH omnipotent and omniscient

Absolutely! But because we (in the Church) do not agree with multitudes of Protestant and cultist versions of the "truth," we are accused (why am I not surprised) of denying the omnipotence and omniscience of God.

Protestants, like narcissistic Gnostics, claim the "inner knowledge" and offer "trust me, I know the Scripture" as their only argument. They accuse the Church of being a "tradition of men," yet they not only put complete trust in themselves as men, but themselves personally as the final and absolute arbiters of what is truth.

909 posted on 01/10/2006 5:54:42 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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