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To: jo kus; annalex; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; kosta50
FK, Harley, wouldn't this be a differentiating point between the Apostolic Church teachings and Protestant beliefs : God desires that all men be saved?

The way I see the concept of the "elect" says that the above statement is wrong.
834 posted on 01/09/2006 7:19:01 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Cronos
If God wanted all men saved, all men would be saved.

What does the term "elect" in Scripture mean to you?

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." -- Romans 8:28-39


865 posted on 01/09/2006 9:48:46 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (an ambassador in bonds)
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