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To: jo kus
By claiming that man has no free will and is irresistibly moved by grace, you are beginning to stray into Pantheism - the idea that everything is God.

??? Pantheism is the view that everything is of an all-encompassing immanent God; or that the universe, or nature, and God are equivalent. There is nothing even remotely suggesting this. The Reformers simply said that God is sovereign giving His grace to whomever He so wills.


774 posted on 01/09/2006 9:46:06 AM PST by HarleyD ("No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44)
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To: HarleyD
Pantheism is the view that everything is of an all-encompassing immanent God; or that the universe, or nature, and God are equivalent. There is nothing even remotely suggesting this. The Reformers simply said that God is sovereign giving His grace to whomever He so wills.

I say that one is BEGINNING to stray into Pantheism, because your view does not give creation the ability to bring about secondary causes. Thus, creation is an extension of God which has no inherent ability to act apart from it.

The Reformers simply said that God is sovereign giving His grace to whomever He so wills.

Does God giving man the ability to procreate (cooperate in creation) intrude on His sovereignty? If not, why then do you claim that when man cooperates in the spiritual realm, it infringes on God's sovereignty? If a woman says she can give life through the means that God has given her in the natural sense, what is to keep us from saying that a Christian gives "birth" to good deeds based on the graces that God has given us? That it is "our" work? In both cases, we cooperate in God's creative work.

Regards

776 posted on 01/09/2006 11:06:36 AM PST by jo kus
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