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To: HarleyD
Pantheism is the view that everything is of an all-encompassing immanent God; or that the universe, or nature, and God are equivalent. There is nothing even remotely suggesting this. The Reformers simply said that God is sovereign giving His grace to whomever He so wills.

I say that one is BEGINNING to stray into Pantheism, because your view does not give creation the ability to bring about secondary causes. Thus, creation is an extension of God which has no inherent ability to act apart from it.

The Reformers simply said that God is sovereign giving His grace to whomever He so wills.

Does God giving man the ability to procreate (cooperate in creation) intrude on His sovereignty? If not, why then do you claim that when man cooperates in the spiritual realm, it infringes on God's sovereignty? If a woman says she can give life through the means that God has given her in the natural sense, what is to keep us from saying that a Christian gives "birth" to good deeds based on the graces that God has given us? That it is "our" work? In both cases, we cooperate in God's creative work.

Regards

776 posted on 01/09/2006 11:06:36 AM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus
I say that one is BEGINNING to stray into Pantheism, because your view does not give creation the ability to bring about secondary causes.

Well if this be even the beginning of Pantheism then I would suggest I’m in line with both Augustine’s writings and, as Augustine points out, the “plainest sacred writings” of the Church.” I would suggest the rejection of what Augustine has stated above shows the Church to be out of wack with the plainest sacred writings. This according to Augustine.

Does God giving man the ability to procreate (cooperate in creation) intrude on His sovereignty?

Yes.

God will not give any of His glory to us.
783 posted on 01/09/2006 12:28:47 PM PST by HarleyD ("No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44)
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