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To: HarleyD
Somehow Protestants have lost this concept in regards to salvation. We think that somehow we ask the Son to set us free but this is no different then the Roman Catholic belief that we "cooperate" with God; that man has the ability to do something that is good. At the root it's the same belief; a belief that drove the Reformers away.

The Reformers were confused in that they couldn't understand "secondary causes". By claiming that man has no free will and is irresistibly moved by grace, you are beginning to stray into Pantheism - the idea that everything is God. By making man an extension or robot of God, this destroys St. Augustine and many other's concept that man, while moved by the primary mover, CAN also be a secondary mover. This is possible in the natural as well as the supernatural realm. We cooperate with God to bring life into the world. And we cooperate with God to bring love into the world.

Regards

767 posted on 01/09/2006 8:15:54 AM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus
By claiming that man has no free will and is irresistibly moved by grace, you are beginning to stray into Pantheism - the idea that everything is God.

??? Pantheism is the view that everything is of an all-encompassing immanent God; or that the universe, or nature, and God are equivalent. There is nothing even remotely suggesting this. The Reformers simply said that God is sovereign giving His grace to whomever He so wills.


774 posted on 01/09/2006 9:46:06 AM PST by HarleyD ("No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44)
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