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To: Forest Keeper; wmfights
They will tell you openly that things like Mary's sinlessness, her ever-virginity, and her worthiness of being venerated more than any other human in history are extra-scriptural Tradition.

Bad examples. Of course, the Scripture cannot be understood outside of the Tradition, which is preserved by the Magisterium of the Church, and these three aspects of the truth are the deposit of faith given us in Christ. A better example of where Tradition builds on scant scriptural support is in the baptism of infants, and generally in instances where the Church defines her Sacraments guided by the Holy Ghost.

The veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary has ample scriptural support, in Luke 1, Luke 11, Apocalypse 12, although, like almost any other aspect of the Scripture it requires the guidance of the Church in order to be understood (Acts 8:27-39).

7,354 posted on 05/30/2006 3:05:47 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
"...Of course, the Scripture cannot be understood outside of the Tradition, which is preserved by the Magisterium of the Church,..."
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It's awfully convenient to say SCRIPTURE defies the ability to be understood by any believer, but only by your hierarchical church. I guess that printing press really messed things up for you guys.
7,409 posted on 05/31/2006 6:07:30 AM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: annalex; wmfights
The veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary has ample scriptural support, in Luke 1, Luke 11, Apocalypse 12, although, like almost any other aspect of the Scripture it requires the guidance of the Church in order to be understood (Acts 8:27-39).

You take Acts 8 as PROOF that the Church must interpret scripture to be understood? It was a story about one guy who witnessed to another guy. It made no sweeping pronouncements. Jesus interpreted His own words in scripture, yet you don't seem to think that there is a requirement that only God's interpretation (other scripture) of the Bible is valid.

7,491 posted on 06/01/2006 2:51:13 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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