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To: Cronos; jo kus; kosta50; annalex; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; ItsOurTimeNow
Ah, yes, the Key point. Since the Protestant definition of God picks and Chooses whom He wants, who's to say that He hasn't picked ANY OF us?

Who indeed.

That we have no way to redeem ourselves?

Are you the redeemer or God?

? That we are damned with no hope of salvation?

There is always the hope of salvation. Where do you get the idea from protestantism that anyone has no hope of salvation. We are all damned without Christ and Christ is available to all who are willing to come to him.

That being baptized in whatever Church will not save us?

Where do you get the idea that it is baptism that saves. It is by grace you are saved through faith.

How do you know that or not? Your prayingm, your actions etc. have no bearing, so you can do as you please because God has already chosen, so if you are in the "elect", you can lead a hedonistic life and yet wind up in heaven and if you aren't in the "elect", you can live like a saint and still burn?

Well if you think you can lead a hedonistic life and crucify the lord over and over, I suspect you do not have faith in Christ. And if you think you can do enough good works to earn a spot in heaven, you are on the road to hell as sure as the guy who thinks he can live a hedonistic life in Christ>

Wouldn't that be in line with your churches' teachings, Forest, Harley, Marlowe, ItsOurTimeNow ?

Speaking for Marlowe's Church, I'd have to say no.

687 posted on 01/08/2006 8:13:51 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Where do you get the idea from protestantism that anyone has no hope of salvation.

when people talk of an "elect", that God has chosen people to be damned and not to be.
707 posted on 01/09/2006 2:15:28 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: P-Marlowe
It is by grace you are saved through faith.

So, if you have faith, you are saved, no matter if you are Catholic, Orthodox, lutheran, Baptist etc?
708 posted on 01/09/2006 2:16:22 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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