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To: Dahlseide

Yes, -- so what is the question?

The Holy Ghost is given by Christ to His disciples physically present at His resurrection who are instructed to teach others. The usual Protestant interpretation says that the Holy Ghost is given all Christians directly. This is without warrant. We have the Holy Ghost inasmuch as the Church of the Apostles informed us.


622 posted on 01/07/2006 1:44:09 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex; Dahlseide
The usual Protestant interpretation says that the Holy Ghost is given all Christians directly. This is without warrant.

Really?

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. (Act 2:37-39 KJV)

Would you mind diagramming those sentences?

626 posted on 01/07/2006 3:05:57 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: annalex

You just answered it. I will quote it as Catholic Dogma.
Thanks


638 posted on 01/07/2006 8:09:21 AM PST by Dahlseide (TULIP)
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To: annalex; P-Marlowe; Dahlseide; HarleyD; ItsOurTimeNow; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Gamecock
The usual Protestant interpretation says that the Holy Ghost is given all Christians directly. This is without warrant. We have the Holy Ghost inasmuch as the Church of the Apostles informed us.

"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.

And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.

For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered,

Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have? -- Acts 10:44-47

Looks like Peter believed in an independent, egalitarian Holy Spirit who gives Himself to whom He wills, according to His will alone. As Peter received the Holy Spirit, so, too, some Gentiles, some Jews, some Poles, some Ethiopians, some Scots, some Laplanders, some in New Jersey, some in Detroit, some who seek Him and some who are surprised by Him, like Paul. Like me.

Extract yourself from the clutter. The Holy Spirit is precise and inerrant. The Trinity is three, not four.

639 posted on 01/07/2006 9:12:35 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (an ambassador in bonds)
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"The usual Protestant interpretation says that the Holy Ghost is given all Christians directly. This is without warrant. We have the Holy Ghost inasmuch as the Church of the Apostles informed us."

Alex, I'm afraid you've lost me on this one and I find myself in sympathy with our Protestant friends. This isn't what the Fathers taught, to my knowledge, let alone the NT. Am I seeing an example of the Barlaamism which +Gregory Palamas contested against?


645 posted on 01/07/2006 10:27:48 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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