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To: kosta50
Jo, asserting that grace is meaningless if there is no man to receive it is not extreme. Protestant total depravity is

Extreme was not a good choice of a word in that sentence. I meant to correct Kosta by saying that Protestants believe the opposite end of the scale - the other extreme. On one extreme is man incapable of receiving grace - and on the other is man's total reliance on it to do everything. I think I have correctly stated your belief by saying that Man needs God to do everything on the plane of salvation. Man does not cooperate at all. Is this correct?

Regards

5,701 posted on 05/05/2006 9:34:42 AM PDT by jo kus (I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart...Psalm 119:32)
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To: jo kus
On one extreme is man incapable of receiving grace - and on the other is man's total reliance on it to do everything. I think I have correctly stated your belief by saying that Man needs God to do everything on the plane of salvation. Man does not cooperate at all. Is this correct?

I was merely stating the obvious: without man there is no need for grace. Grace exists because man exist. If we didn't exist, God would have no reason to grant His grace.

If man cannot recieve grace, then what's God's mercy all about? If we cannot do anything on our own, where is our fault and where is the need for mercy? Mercy comes with guilt; and guilt comes from our free will resisting God's.

If everything we do is merely being guided by God, then our evil is not ours really. If we do good, it is only through

5,707 posted on 05/05/2006 10:00:52 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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