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To: jo kus
On one extreme is man incapable of receiving grace - and on the other is man's total reliance on it to do everything. I think I have correctly stated your belief by saying that Man needs God to do everything on the plane of salvation. Man does not cooperate at all. Is this correct?

I was merely stating the obvious: without man there is no need for grace. Grace exists because man exist. If we didn't exist, God would have no reason to grant His grace.

If man cannot recieve grace, then what's God's mercy all about? If we cannot do anything on our own, where is our fault and where is the need for mercy? Mercy comes with guilt; and guilt comes from our free will resisting God's.

If everything we do is merely being guided by God, then our evil is not ours really. If we do good, it is only through

5,707 posted on 05/05/2006 10:00:52 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
I was merely stating the obvious: without man there is no need for grace. Grace exists because man exist. If we didn't exist, God would have no reason to grant His grace.

Oh, yes, I understand what you were saying.

If everything we do is merely being guided by God, then our evil is not ours really. If we do good, it is only through

Yea, I haven't heard a satisfactory answer to that dilemna. And when man is told to persevere, God is really talking about God's perseverance!

Regards

5,709 posted on 05/05/2006 10:28:18 AM PDT by jo kus (I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart...Psalm 119:32)
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