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To: Kolokotronis
The Ladder of Divine Ascent

The Bible makes it clear that salvation is not a ladder we climb. It is a transporter room. Beam me up.

We are transported from death to life. It is God's work and not ours. Your illustration shows satan's minions plucking people off the ladder. The Bible clearly states that nothing will pluck us from his hand. If you want a more accurate illustration, you should show the saved getting on an escalator and the damned bypassing the escalator and insisting on climbing the ladder themselves. In that case, Satan's minions will pick off every single one of them.

541 posted on 01/06/2006 8:54:20 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; jo kus; kosta50; annalex; Forest Keeper

"We are transported from death to life. It is God's work and not ours."

We've already dealt with that. Your interpretation of scripture is a Protestant innovation no more than 600 years old used to justify rejection of The Church's teachings. As for it being "God's work", certianly orthodoxy has never claimed that "works" as works bring about theosis. Theosis is only by the grace of God.

"Your illustration shows satan's minions plucking people off the ladder. The Bible clearly states that nothing will pluck us from his hand. If you want a more accurate illustration, you should show the saved getting on an escalator and the damned bypassing the escalator and insisting on climbing the ladder themselves. In that case, Satan's minions will pick off every single one of them."

Again, a modern Protestant innovative reading of scripture. The icon I posted in its original form is from the 6th century as is the Ladder of Divine Ascent by +John Climacus. It demonstrates what The Church believed then and now. Your spiritual forebears chose to reject The Church. Their loss.


544 posted on 01/06/2006 10:05:19 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: P-Marlowe; kosta50; annalex; Cronos; jo kus

"Your illustration shows satan's minions plucking people off the ladder."

Actually, it doesn't. What it shows is temptation. Try Googling for a larger image.

" The Bible clearly states that nothing will pluck us from his hand."

True enough...once we are "in" God's hand, at the top of the Ladder.

"If you want a more accurate illustration, you should show the saved getting on an escalator and the damned bypassing the escalator and insisting on climbing the ladder themselves."

What an excellent similie to the Protestant "no fuss, no muss, sin vigorously because you're "elect" theology of salvation!


577 posted on 01/06/2006 5:16:57 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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