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To: Cronos
I'd rather read Judas' betrayal as a display of God's omniscience, not his pre-determination of our sins. God knew that Judas was going to sin, perhaps He sees all the myriad possibilities, I don't know, He is GOD.

I have nothing but utter and complete sympathy for your position on this because it was mine until just recently. :) I believe that you can know for sure that God sees all the possibilities. I believe that God knew that Judas was going to sin from before the earth was formed. He also knew exactly how it was going to happen, and for exactly what price.

If God is perfect, and if God already knows these (above) things, and if God could not leave anything to chance (i.e. outside His knowledge), ... then did God allow or "cause" it? Yes.

505 posted on 01/06/2006 3:54:04 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; annalex
then did God allow or "cause" it? Yes

Allowing something is different from causing it. As Annalex's beautiful analogy goes: a parent allows his/her child to make errors, giving them the ability to do so. These parents lay down the laws but the child may err. If the child errs, the parent does not "cause" the error, they may allow it (like a child playing in the mud), but they do not cause it.
518 posted on 01/06/2006 5:17:56 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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