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To: Cronos
Me: We are no longer slaves to sin, but slaves to righteousness ...

Again, I disagree -- if God wanted pure slaves, He would have done so.

He did, and has done so:

Romans 6:16-32 "16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. 19 I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life."

God WANTS us to decide, He revels in our unpredictableness.

In that case, my God can beat up your God! :)

431 posted on 01/05/2006 11:55:22 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; Cronos

The more I have meditated on this "God doesn't want pure slaves", the stranger it sounds. Wouldn't and shouldn't it be every Christian's desire to have his/her heart so transfix on our Lord Jesus that we are in total submission to His every call? If we are not in God's perfect will then we are in sin. God does want us to be "slaves to righteousness".


434 posted on 01/05/2006 12:02:22 PM PST by HarleyD ("Command what you will and give what you command." - Augustine's Prayer)
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To: Forest Keeper; Cronos; jo kus; Kolokotronis; annalex; HarleyD
The Scriputre says that God would have all men saved. You claim otherwise. The Scripture says "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men" (Titus 2:11); you claim otherwise. Jesus said that He came to save many (not all), not because God would not will all men saved, but because some shall not find the path, and not because they shall not be taken to the path. You cliam that God already selected those who shall live and who shall die.

You and your brothers in faith continue to deny that God gave us free will. Without it, man is only another memeber of the animal kingdom and not one who can enter the Kingdom of God. Without free will, man is not free. Without free will, man cannot be a moral being. Without free will, man cannot sin!

I believe with all my heart that God wanted us to be free, moral and accountable for our actions. And, as free moral beings, we will be judged according to what we have done (2 Cor 5:10). Your pets will not be judged for their deeds!

The insane idea that we are connected to some tractor beam that leads us without any volition of our own is just that -- insane because it is contrary to everything we know about God and about ourselves.

As any loving parent would agree, we love our children for no reason whatsoever. Nothing they do can "buy" our love, nor do we expect them to "earn" it. And there comes a time when even the most loving of all parents have to let their children free so that they may come back to them because of love and not because they are kept souls.

Your God did not oly give us Christ, but Lucifer as well, because He is "sovereign" and can "do whatever He wants." Because He controls everything. He creates good and evil, but perhaps you can explain how can a Creator of evil be considered Good?

God is sovereign but not in your anthropomorphic terms. He Who is Love is not the source of evil.

447 posted on 01/05/2006 5:03:56 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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