[HarleyD]

So, it is my fault? has it ever occurred to you that perhaps you are not explaining your dogma well enough?

If you really would like to know our "dogma" I would suggest the Westminster Confession or the London Baptist Confession. While one is Presbyterian and the other Baptist they're fairly close. They'll answer all your questions.

Now if you could point me to the succinct confession of the Orthodox belief complete with scriptural references like the Westminster or Baptist confessions I would appreciate it. I've never been able to find them before.

[kosta50]

I will read your Confessions, thank you very much. I really will! I want to see where does human will come into play and if not what's the point. I don't care for biblical references. I want to know why I have intellect. Do I have a will or not. Is there anything that God doesn't do for me or had not done for me already in the past, now and future?

If I have no will, I am not guilty, sinful or in need of redemption, salvation or reason to exist. In fact, following your theology, this is not me speaking but God, I suppose!

[kosta50]

Now if you could point me to the succinct confession of the Orthodox belief complete with scriptural references

The Nicene-Constantinopolean Creed.

[kosta50]

If you really would like to know our "dogma" I would suggest the Westminster Confession or the London Baptist Confession

I read your "dogma" and that of the the Anabaptists (who were brutally exterminated by Lutherans in continental Europe) and they are not even close.

Your Calvinist cult lists no less than 39 Old testament books! In addition to that, it states that God made man only in His image (but not in His likeness as well) -- thereby altering Scripture to fit its own agenda.

Furthermore, the Westminster Confession says that man had a choice, but that God was pleased with Adam's sin, "according to His wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory."

Yet, although God wanted it so, and made sure it was so "for His own lory" the "guilt of this sin was imputed" onto man. So, God's will was realized and man was to blame: "Every sin, both original and actual, being a transgression of the righteous law of God, and contrary thereunto, does in its own nature, bring guilt upon the sinner."

The more I think about it, your "dogma" and Islam have a lot more in common than I ever believed.

As for our (ana)Baptist friends (the folks who believed in two baptisms), theirs was nothing like yours, but ordinary Bible babble, litteralist in its presentation.

The bottom line is that both are creatures of man, and not of the Church established by God, because that Church never taught anything like that confession of your cult, nor believed anything similar to it from the beginning.