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To: kosta50; Cronos; Forest Keeper
Where is the "wickedness" in robotic obedience? Are you that confused?

I would think that it would be every Christian's greatest desire to emulate Christ by being totally obedient to the Father's will and not our own will. Isn't that DESIRING to want to be a "robot" to God?

On the other hand if you feel we're saying that God directs the affairs of men in some sort of "robotic obedience" fashion then I would suggest looking at my updated tagline and explaining this verse.

1,787 posted on 01/20/2006 6:05:44 AM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: HarleyD; kosta50; Forest Keeper
Isn't that DESIRING to want to be a "robot" to God?

Aha, free will choosing to let God work through you?
1,794 posted on 01/20/2006 9:06:55 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: HarleyD; Cronos; Forest Keeper; jo kus; annalex; Kolokotronis
I would think that it would be every Christian's greatest desire to emulate Christ by being totally obedient to the Father's will

Excuse me, I think you are getting more confused by the minute. You said that man, in his wickedness, obeyed God to kill Christ. To you that's emulating Christ?

How can blind obedience to God-ordained sin be man's wickedness?

Your new tag line does not exclude free will. The whole thing about Christianity is that man disobeyed God's will. Obviously you haven't realized it yet. So, YES, God's will can be disobeyed and has been and continues to be disobeyed by man, exercising his free will daily, since Adam.

Yet, our loving God did not destroy us, but is trying to heal us and save us, even though we continue to sin and even though the founder of your sect urged you to "sin boldly..."

Your problem is that you see God as the author of good and evil. Yet you consider man to be "wicked" (by God's will no doubt).

I imagine that even a confused Protestant would say that God is good. But if He is good, that goodness sis not a "characteristic" of God, but His nature. If we can for a moment assume that He is also the author of evil, then He is evil by nature as well. And if we assume that He is just, He must also be essentially unjust, and if He is merciful, He must also be cruel.

That's not what Christ taught us. You have left the planet.

For if God is both good and evil, just and unjust, angry and happy, passionate and sad, He is not eternal and unchanging, but subject to moods and passions, to bribes and pleasures. That is a corrupt God. And if that is what Protestants other than you believe, then they also believe in a corrupt God, a Tyrant.

1,805 posted on 01/20/2006 4:11:55 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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