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To: RnMomof7
The problem of seeing works as saving is that you then see Muslims as capable of being saved.

Jesus didn't seem to have a problem with Samaritans (they were often the "hero's" in His stories) or with Gentiles). I think the Spirit will not be inhibited if God wills to save a Muslim, despite his religious affiliation.

Could you define grace and mercy for me?

Grace is a freely given gift from God that empowers a man/woman to have faith, love, and trust in God. It CAN be rendered ineffectual by man himself (2Co 6:1; Ga 2:21; Eph 3:7; Heb 2:9; Jas 4:6). It is given to sinful men that they may turn to the Lord. It is by grace that we are saved - because through God's gift of faith and love, we are able to respond to God's promptings of love and union.

Mercy is generally thought of a sympathy, kindness, forbearance (when justice might be demanded) and forgiveness. We, too, are commanded to have mercy upon our brothers and sisters, forgiving them there trespasses and being kind to them, even in the face of unkindness.

Regards

1,767 posted on 01/19/2006 3:30:56 PM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus; RnMomof7

I think, Jo, it needs to be stated that while Muslims can be saved, they are saved by Christ and after He is done with them they are no longer Muslim but Christian, albeit not baptized in the ordinary sense. There is no salvation outside the Church.


1,768 posted on 01/19/2006 4:30:14 PM PST by annalex
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To: jo kus
The problem of seeing works as saving is that you then see Muslims as capable of being saved.
Jesus didn't seem to have a problem with Samaritans (they were often the "hero's" in His stories) or with Gentiles). I think the Spirit will not be inhibited if God wills to save a Muslim, despite his religious affiliation.

He revealed himself to them, he made no provision to "save" them in their work based religion and error. If you believe that those that do not know Christ can be saved then you do not think faith is at all necessary . If one can be saved without Christ, why did he bother to come at all? Could not God have just issued a general absolution?

Does this scripture count?

Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Could you define grace and mercy for me?

Grace is a freely given gift from God that empowers a man/woman to have faith, love, and trust in God. It CAN be rendered ineffectual by man himself (2Co 6:1; Ga 2:21; Eph 3:7; Heb 2:9; Jas 4:6). It is given to sinful men that they may turn to the Lord. It is by grace that we are saved - because through God's gift of faith and love, we are able to respond to God's promptings of love and union.

Could we agree that it is undeserved merit?

Mercy is generally thought of a sympathy, kindness, forbearance (when justice might be demanded) and forgiveness. We, too, are commanded to have mercy upon our brothers and sisters, forgiving them there trespasses and being kind to them, even in the face of unkindness.

Could we agree one must be judged guilty to receive mercy?

1,771 posted on 01/19/2006 6:13:16 PM PST by RnMomof7 ("Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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