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To: annalex
No one prior to Luther attempted to reduce the Christian Canon, once it was settled in Carthage in early 5 c.

I didn't say someone tried to reduce the Canon. I said there were disputes on it.

The lies and half-truths spread by Protestants about the history of the Church are in themselves enough to condemn their entire enterprise to Hell, and you have been corrected enough times to know better.

No, I'm simply correcting the historical distortions that comes from the other side. An excellent article I would refer people to is A Brief Introduction to the Canon and Ancient Versions of Scripture by Michael Marlowe. I would especially call attention to the excellent graph here showing the disputed books of the New Testament. I would also call the readers attention to the following article on the Apocrapha

1,649 posted on 01/16/2006 3:54:11 AM PST by HarleyD (Joh 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on)
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To: HarleyD
correcting the historical distortions that comes from the other side

Your are throwing enough fog around hoping to get away from the plain fact that the Christian Canon was established in AD 419 if memory serves, and Luther reduced it.

I wonder why do you need to feel defensive about it. Amputating parts of Christ's legacy is something the Reformed are not generally defensive about. Do you not proclaim Sola Scriptura with pride? You can reduce the Holy Scripture to, say, the letter to Galatians, and remain on the same vandalistic trip you started with Sola Scriptura. Once you decided that you are going to interpret any part of the Holy Scripture for yourselves and discard the unwritten tradition, it matters very little what part of the Scripture you want to continue to look at in that foolish manner, and which to discard. You should feel free to reduce the scripture to a single verse, or fit it on a vanity license plate, or whatever.

1,674 posted on 01/16/2006 1:16:08 PM PST by annalex
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your link is funneee!

Many Protestants are also aware of the fact that in choosing a Bible one must avoid the shelf labelled "Roman Catholic Bibles," because these are designed to promote Catholic beliefs

Really? Designed? Then how come the Orthodox share these same books? And how come, if you stay true to the translation, you come up with "Catholic Bibles"?

And so it is evident that most of us receive certain books and reject others not because we have personally evaluated them in any way, but because we trust that someone else has evaluated them and decided rightly concerning this matter, so that all scripture and nothing but scripture is between the covers of our Bibles.

You further refute the statement that protestants come to their own beliefs and are inspired on their ownsome. No, many believe what has been taught to them. That's why Dion is hesitant to call you heretics as this is the belief system you have been brought up in and honestly believe in as the truth.

In the year 367 an influential bishop named Athanasius published a list of books to be read in the churches under his care, which included precisely those books we have in our Bibles (with this exception — he admitted Baruch and omitted Esther in the Old Testament).

This is silly -- the author accepts the word of ONE Bishop but discounts the words of a council barely a century later?
1,707 posted on 01/17/2006 8:15:43 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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